Selo Truebox

Discussion in 'Time Locked Progression Servers' started by Pappasalt, Jun 19, 2020.

  1. Healiez Augur

    I have played on 5 different iterations of Prog servers, and was a raid leader in a few of them. It would be huge to drop the truebox restrictions somewhere between GoD and DoDH as that when attrition really starts to hit. Boxes start becoming just as critical to raid composition as mains in some cases, especially certain classes that you need X of but are typically boxes more often then mains.

    Cleric, bard, chanter come to mind.

    Yes chanter, they get royally shafted like 5-6 expansions in a row, and the main chanters start rerolling. One guild I was in had a single main chanter and a few boxes come TSS
  2. ForumBoss Augur

    DoN is really where the game starts being unfriendly to non box ad hoc groups, and boxing makes more sense. This is because you start needing progression steps to participate or get credit for missions with others, making it hard to find someone on the same faction and step as you. This trend continues throughout and is really what makes eq need boxing, or set groups.

    Unfortunately some of these missions were designed to be hard to box, too, despite the boxing game design paradigm. Which is really frustrating where true box makes these missions even more challenging than live.
  3. Skuz I am become Wrath, the Destroyer of Worlds.

    I don't think they design any of them to be challenging to box, they design them to be challenging for groups but don't consider the difficulties they might cause a boxer is probably more accurate. Boxing is probably still not considered standard play despite it being hugely prevalent on most servers to some degree.

    Once Mercs became a feature during SoD they didn't even consider those while designing content either.
    There are plenty of missions that can be next to impossible to do using certain merc roles due to how they were designed.
    For example should you need to protect an npc that actively aggros mobs your tank merc is useless or one which you need to heal an npc to escort it safely then your heal merc is all but useless, so some group setups simply cannot manage some group content due to the way they were designed with only the standard 6 player group in mind that also featured a tank, priest & often also a crowd control class.
  4. Accipiter Old Timer


    That is particularly true of some of the missions in The Buried Sea. I tried a couple that were awful for boxers and just gave up. I still have visions of named shissars and their adds. ;-)
  5. Accipiter Old Timer


    I just had a Cicero flashback. ;)
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  6. Tweakfour17 Augur

    Someone in another thread was asking for Agnarr to have truebox removed as well, for the same reasons, it's fulfilled its purpose and limits the remaining population in a negative way. I wonder if they would remove it after xxx days/months instead of an expansion. Or whichever comes first maybe, since a fast unlock server like Selo would burn past say DoDH much faster than a slow unlock server.
  7. Rasper Helpdesk The Original Helpdesk

    Unlocking it at the same time the next TLP(s) are opened would be ideal. That is when they take a big hit as people abandon ship for the newest thing, leaving the rest to limp along. Which means open it up on everything but Aradune/Rizlona
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  8. HoodenShuklak Augur

    As much as we all agree that agnarr was the greatest tlp in eq history, it really is a unique beast. I certainly don't think it should be some addendum to further progressed servers getting changes, however.

    If we can focus on a clear message, such as selo at live with truebox on will literally cause 90% to quit then we might get progress in that they at least start thinking about evolving rulesets to encourage tlp health.
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  9. Duality Augur

    That will happen a few months before it hits live.
  10. HoodenShuklak Augur

    Why's that? I would think selol hits live with both of the current raid guilds.
  11. theonepercent Augur

    It will be lucky to have 1. As of now I know at least a dozen people between the 2 guild that have said they won't be buying the new expansions. Might not seem like much but I've only talked to maybe 15 people about it and that % is just too high. Of course I don't blame them the devs flat out said they don't care about our server, why should we give them more money?
  12. Rasper Helpdesk The Original Helpdesk

    Unless I'm mistaken, everything up to and including Ring of Scale is currently free, which unlocks in December of Selo. So unless another expansion shows up before January 6th that is when a lot of Selo is going to have to make a decision on whether to pay to continue or abandon ship.
  13. Duality Augur

    Oh well it was a good run. It did better than I ever expected. When will the FNF packs be claimable on selo? Wouldn't mind picking up a handful of those. Heard they went for 22kr on FV?
  14. HoodenShuklak Augur

    Oh yes... when selo moves to the point where you have to buy the expac that will likely be a crippling blow to the 2 raid guilds, or maybe they will just both exist and not all do current content until they merge into 1 that wants to continue.

    Even if they remove true box are there really that many people that will want to pony up $30 or whatever per account to raid? When I consider this it almost seems like true box removal will do a trivial amount of mitigation AT live. (Long before then is when it mattered.)

    Sad in a way I guess, but selo was the prototype in a way of the modern churn and burn tlp. Without a consideration for the late tlps' health, they're doomed to fippy status.
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  15. Stix Man Elder

    I saw something on the official everquest discord about a bypass for truebox. Maybe they want everyone to pay this guy for his bypass instead of them changing the server rules.
  16. Tweakfour17 Augur

    Did Dreamweaver ever get back about bringing this to the devs?
  17. Skuz I am become Wrath, the Destroyer of Worlds.

    He was aiming to get it discussed before the end of the year, nothing else forthcoming on it.
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  18. FranktheBank Augur

    Based on the reply on the phinny EoK thread, I am assuming that big changes won't be happening until January+ as the devs work to get the new expac out. By then It's gonna be like 'welp we got 2 months to go so..." lol
  19. Hateseeker Augur

    So now seems like a good time to ask what is going to happen when we hit Live, while there's still time to get ahead of it!
  20. Skuz I am become Wrath, the Destroyer of Worlds.

    That was my take on it too, but Dreamweaver has said to me that Truebox removal on older TLP is an ongoing conversation, I take that to mean it's being talked about but just no decision reached yet.