Like seriously, 4hrs without spawn. I mean at this rate it would take 120 days for top 10 guilds to key their people (just 72 not the whole guild). Even if that was bad luck and it's 2hrs, that's still 60 days for top 10 guilds when there are 20 guilds trying to kill stuff. You know it's one thing to make somethings competitive like epics etc, it's another to form a damn line 10 miles long to kill a grey mob because it bars a whole zone. This is why pop went to flagging by kills and not a stupid time sink. (TIME locked progression, we don't have a damn year between expansions). VP can be done with low numbers sure, but wtf are we doing that? It is suppose to be a social game.