I would agree if we were talking about the confines of one expansion. We are, however, talking about a condition spanning expansions. So i think the core of the issue is rather if it's a "healthy" decision overall - having basically only certain parts of the playerbase adversely affected and in a blocking way. I am with you there, although i cannot agree with the "unwillingness to put forth the effort" part. To ME, these people have put forth way MORE effort than all of us who have already beaten EoK. And for less rewards too. That they kept trying over the year should tell you too of their dedication and effort. Do not think that the "solutions" you refer to haven't been tried by many of them - this has been talked about above. Exactly. WithIN an expansion. Looking at other threads and beta boards i am not so sure if even the guilds you refer to will WANT to go back to EoK T3 to immunize people. Much less to actually flag them all over as is required of the guilds that haven't beaten EoK yet - for anOTHER expansion. The cross-expansion thing is actually the reason for the outcry, when faced with a year-long try to beat certain blocking events that have been - you have to admit - made harder over the year and even moreso with the recent patches. If you felt you were close to beating one of the blocking events and get that step closer, you are now seeing, not feeling, yourself thrown back even further. This causes frustration. Frustration causes things we do not want in the long run - guilds folding, people quitting or going on a break. I really wonder why anyone can even think that would be a good thing then. The people do not, as you put it, "*****, moan, complain, and demand for change" over nothing - it is an expression of that frustration. and pointing to just the level-upgrade and saying "all will be good" doesn't really cut it, even if that were going to be the case. It's a carrot dangling in front of an already more-dead-than-alive donkey, a straw they can grab. But the real CAUSE is elsewhere. EXACTLY. That is the point of this thread! They CAN NOT "simply skip it and move on". How would you feel if you had graduated from highschool and just because you weren't able to earn a scolarship at Yale you find yourself also excluded from PennState or UTSA or Texas A&M but you know that you're above a Job with a name on your shirt? Noone asked for any free lunch - that's just an unbased and wrong statement certain people are making in an attempt to dismiss the discussion as a whole. That's what's boiling MY blood! And since they are given no choice, it CAN not "come down to choices". Except the choice to take it or leave it - and do we really, REALLY want even more people to leave?