OK so normally we only get 2 bards per raid; and we generally feel its a losing dps battle to alliance with only 2 bards vs max adps to your group.. the goal is overall dps. So time flys by and maybe bad habits are learned. Revisiting best options for if have 3 or 4 bards we say each bard for this example is aaa bbb ccc ddd etc In the dps channel or sub channel party animals bard aaa calls out Alliance at %t nuke nuke Is it best for the other bards to mash a forced nuke hotkey to fulfill the alliance? if this is true.. rolling into next alliance etc.. do make 1 bard recast it with other nuking based on end or mana pools? and at what number does this cost or gain the raid dps overall? Of course we are using alliance on stuff that live that long.. but lets say pofire snails or bones, for examples or named bigtime target? Feels like there is balance of the alliance and adps for others.. I don't care 1% of my personal dps if I was the chosen bard to alliance over and over. I can about wins. Maybe I typed that wong.. mora is better.. but I don't have an ego based on my placement on the list. Basically we are out of practice for so long.. if it does trigger 100%.. I question the value of it. If its costing my dps group overall dps. I think im wrong, yet to do the math. Looking for suggestions or examples. Note I seen the example of ATs in gina for use over channels.. for me it lagg too much and i generally hate gina anyways.. just not a fan.. zones me out. I want to focus on having fun and winning. thanks for the advice or suggestions.