So I'm bored and don't have access to the game at the moment. Was curious if any ranger has tried a Wildstalker's disc burn with Imbued Ferocity but using a 2 hander. Maybe a 35 delay with a 7k+ proc + the 14 dmg/1050 aug.
Due to the nature of how the disc's damage is applied, speed kills. More swings = more of the disc damage applied (same can be said for applying Empowered Blades w/ disc). I think we're finally at a point where a Revultant Whip and Efreeti Standard can't beat current 19 delay weapons because the damage is so high on the weapons in comparison. I'm not sure if anyone has done comparisons but things were close to evening out in TBM with it's 19 delay daggers. 35 delay 2handers would negate all effectiveness of the disc. Yes the damage on the weapon is high to the extreme but I think you'd need a current Knight ratio weapon to beat dual wield. Add to the ability to get a 1hs with a 5000 dmg DD on it now and 2handers are further behind. You miss so much with your offhand, said 1hs being 21 delay has a smaller effect than you'd believe on the disc's effectiveness when paired with a 19 delay dagger in the main hand. The weapon will miss, but Imbue Ferocity will still apply that large proc each round.
2h was briefly very good when the bugged set of 2h weapons in Broken Mirror had "sympathetic" procs. Other than then, the only thing good about 2h has been the historic ease of looting them
Hmm guess I should have been more specific about the scaling of Wildstalkers. For a person that doesn't raid, Wildstalker's rank 2 offers a slight edge on damage over Copse rank 2 but with a trade off of scales to delay. Guess I'll just keep using copse when required Thanks for response.
That read is what spawned the question. When I get a chance I'll give named killing a shot with 2 hander. Just picked up the 2hb 7k proc from goro this morning.
Wildstalker Rank 2 with Hoarded Sledgeworker's Mallet. Real fight, test disc, no support. Ranger stuff only. A Krellnakor patroller on 4/15/2018 in 50sec Total --- DMG: 11060298 (100%) @ 221206 dps (221206 sdps) --- DMG to PC: 810797 @16547dps Arahgorn --- DMG: 11060298 (100%) @ 221206 dps (221206 sdps) --- DMG to PC: 810797 @16547dps Arahgorn -vs- A Krellnakor patroller: -- DMG: 11060298 -- DPS: 221206 -- Scaled: 221206 -- Crush: 4391236 -- DirDmg: 2829198 -- Hit: 2786411 -- DoT: 941088 -- Kick: 112365 -- Non-crit rate: 65.1% -- crit rate: 34.9% -- Attempts: 278 -- Hits: 278 -- Accuracy: 100% (ignore, I have misses hidden) -- Avg Hit: 39785 -- Max hit: 665032 -- DMG to PC: 810797 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was not trying to maximize damage dealt here. It was more of a test. By any measure, that's not bad at all without any support while discing. 2 Handers are fully viable with Wildstalker's Disc. That said, 1 Handers with high damage procs should ALWAYS be used along with Imbued Ferocity. They will deal significantly more damage for obvious reasons. Concerning the group side of the game, the Sledgemallet should easily outperform any group 1 handers during Wildstalker Disc, outside of running Imbued Ferocity. I have not actually tested the best group 1 handers versus the sledgemallet, but considering the group sledgemallet is on par with raid quality 1 handers, I don't think it's necessary.
Trolling aside, while you can make it work - it isn't a best practices type deal. Heck, I think if you're really trying to push numbers then you don't end up in melee at all?
It simply comes down to circumstances of the event in question. Maximum possible ranger DPS would be a ranged scenario. After the changes to the AA that formerly increased disc duration, a ranger's ranged disc lasts longer than the melee disc and makes the whole conversation moot concerning which has greater overall potential. Ranged > Melee. However, the conversation in this thread is all about how to maximize a ranger's DPS while meleeing. 2 Handers are viable with Wildstalker's Discipline. As much or more so than 1 handers and is a talking point because that hasn't happened in a very long time. =P
Fair enough, I think that's the gist of what I said in the PM - that melee is more of a for fun / grouping thing.
Just for reference, trying harder to maximize DPS (pre-clicking DPS stuff prior to engagement, etc) with Hornscale Blade and Spike, Emperor's End: (ranger solo, no support) /GU A Krellnakor patroller in 31s, 11028k @355757dps --- Arahgorn 11028k @355757dps Arahgorn -vs- A Krellnakor patroller: -- DMG: 11028453 -- DPS: 355757 -- Scaled: 355757 -- DirDmg: 3854070 -- Hit: 3524655 -- Pierce: 2405853 -- DoT: 1134918 -- Kick: 108957 -- Non-crit rate: 71.7% -- crit rate: 28.3% -- Attempts: 438 -- Hits: 438 -- Accuracy: 100% (again ignore, misses are hidden) -- Avg Hit: 25179 -- Max hit: 665032 -- DMG to PC: 519792 -------------------------------------------------------- I don't have a good comparison to the Sledgemallet. This was primarily to instill the concept that 1 handers and Imbued Ferocity should always go together. Specifically look at how much direct damage was dealt and that says everything. Even compared to the Sledgemallet parse above where I'm not trying that hard, it's a night and day difference.
ok i did a base melee parse here. Autoattack only, no kicks, raid buffed. Wildstalkers Disc, Ausp, GotF, 3rd and Outriders accuracy are the only burns i used since its a combat dummy parse i thought IF would inflate the parse too much since it wont fade. 2 Hander Jeweled Workers Sledgemallet - Kaedyn 16856k@130670sdps (130670dps in 129s) Dual Wield Set Jeweled Hoarded Blood Orchid - Kaedyn 16961k@126572sdps (126572dps in 134s) Heresh, Spine of Pain Burn weapons Heresh, Spine of Pain - Kaedyn + pets 13061k@107059sdps (107059dps in 122s) Spiked Scale Whip So yeah, the 2hder is better with wildstalkers when burning, nice at least as far as a melee standpoint. another thing is the 2hder has is nice reposte dmg when your tanking. now once you hit IF everything changes.
