PLer toxicity discussion

General spam is annoying. I would love for them to fix it by allowing block to go up to 1000 players. TBH, I would like to block about half the server as at least half of them are toxic and annoying.

Training. This one is subjective. If someone is pulling mobs and you decide to stand in their pull path and fight a mob, did they train you because mobs fell off on your group? Training to me was when you were nowhere near their camp and/or pull path and they deliberately pull mobs onto you.

What in the patch helps with server stability issues? To me it all read like UI changes and alt + tab changes, but I could have missed something.

Before the 30 mob limit, aoe plvl would indeed bring a zone to its knees. That was because they were trying to get all of the mobs at once for a single burn. EQ zones aren't meant for all mobs to be engaged at once and keeping track of all of those mobs, their spells being hit, active states, movement, position, etc., would bring a zone to its knees. Since they put in the 30 mob limit, I haven't seen this and I have been in a few zones where people were power leveling. Farming Juggs for spells is a good example. On prior TLPs, a person doing AOE up above would bring the zone to a crawl. Everything would lag up. Since the change, I haven't seen any lagging from a person doing aoe while farming Juggs.

It may vary.

The 20+ erudite mages running and casting in sync in South Karana farming Brother Q have not received any type of suspension or ban, as they’ve been online every day since the report.


However I just reported one of the massive AOE bot PLers in The Hole on the holiday and unless he had a long trip planned coinciding with the last week he nor his guild named after himself have not been online since, and he’s usually online for most of the day, every day according to my brother who’s had run ins with him since the Mischief days. Though to be fair his tells may have contributed to that as much as his training did.

Take some video, make sure you turn on time stamps as well - especially if the offender starts exchanging tells with you. I haven’t found a way to automatically have the new tell windows timestamp so I’ve been doing it after the initial tell.

yea, fair enough, i'd say "mixed results" is a good assessment.

My main point was that i submit an "unlisted" video link (as instructed) and the view count didn't go up until I watched it myself, so i felt they did not even watch the video once. making a trimmed video, uploading it and filling out a petition is too much work if no ones even going to watch the video.

edit: anyone with the link can view the video, it wasn't "private" like i originally wrote

First of all, some training cases have been documented with "Get the %@#$ out of my zone" type statements that make it VERY obvious.

And not how the rules work on your take anyhow when it's a pattern of behavior of them constantly doing it. Mistakes happen, but doing the same thing repeatedly and not trying to remedy the issue is not. Technically even the first time falls under zone disruption, but realistically being socially aware and mitigates it, since everyone makes mistakes sometimes.

But doing it repeatedly and not caring? History shows what is supposed to happen to those types.

Missed the entire part about spell processing load being reduced? The ADD is strong with this one.

Try it in The Hole where they use 20+ man teams and do still pull megapulls over 30 mobs.

I think the point of the zone disruption rule is to prevent one player/group from hogging a zone and to allow several groups to play at the same time. So I would say, yes, taking a large portion of the zone is disruption. I'm not an official spokesperson for Daybreak though, and I doubt we'll get an official statement on it.

They've made official statements in the past that the pickzones were set at appropriate thresholds for what they expect to be using the zone.

So for SolA with it's threshold being around 20, clearly they don't want 1 group clearing it denying 2 other groups and two soloers, or so.

DBG is *TERRIBLE* at enforcement even with infinite amounts of evidence supplied. I sent them a 15 minute video of some very VERY blatant botters in KC. The melee only engage when something is brought in range. They return to the exact same pixel once stuff is no longer engaged. You could kill their mobs that the puller grabbed and they won't react to anything unless you walked it to within the preset range and then all the melee would engage at the same time. The exact same thing happened the exact same time perfectly scripted every time.

Absolutely nothing happened to them. They are now yet another 30 man box crew selling PLers in The Hole.

What did the GM say?

Hey, you could always come to vaniki we have much more fun !

What the GMs always say.

"As with all cases of inappropriate behavior, we cannot give out information regarding the actions taken against another player's account, as this information is considered to be private.
".

Which in this case, was 0 action.

I've read through their privacy policy. Actions taken against another player's account falls under "other information" (i.e. not personal) and is not protected under the privacy policy. It is not considered private.

Last two times I recorded someone clearly using programs, the folks weren't seen online for the next week. Maybe your video wasn't super clear or the names weren't clear or something. It's worked for me every time unless folks are just taking week+ long vacations after I report them.

I actually think they are being too aggressive. Some RL friends of mine got accounts suspended that I'm 99% sure don't use botting programs Not sure why and can't know for sure but DPG certainly seems to have stepped up their policing or suspending/banning. Maybe too much.

every response I've gotten from them for the last 5+ years says they won't be disclosing information about action taken on other accounts so I don't understand what your point is.

We had someone in our guild receive automated suspensions for "warping", when they were just getting summoned by multiple mobs rapidly over a few seconds while in an exp group with other guildies. I think some of their automated systems are overtuned a bit.

you guys should have your cheating friends submit appeals in petitions so they can look into it and collect actual data.

This has also been posted on the forums many times in the past from various Daybreak personal.

They did, it was reversed pretty quickly...still shouldn't have happened though

my "cheating friends" . I think they did, one got overturned after 2-3 days waiting for a support response, the other got a generic note saying it was not an error. I'm not sure what all counts as 3rd party programs - he uses Gina and some software KVM / multi-pc management thing for mouse/keyboard.

I can't really defend them but was just an observation. Either way, seems like DPG is being proactive and aggressive here at the least.