PhinnyKills.com - Guild Ranking

Hello Everyone,
I have added a simple form of Guild Ranking to the site.
The ranking is based of points guilds will earn by clearing all content for each expansion.
Guilds that clear the content faster and in era will earn more points.
I hope everyone enjoys this new feature to the site.

I'm sure many have their own thoughts and opinions on how they would do a ranking system.
And I don't mind listening to constructive thoughts / suggestions, this is my first time doing something like this so im sure there will be some tweaks I will need to make over time.
But I am over all happy with how things are running.

Thanks again for your support!!

PS: Thanks for the kind PMs from those who send them, im sorry you haven't been able to find me in game the past few weeks, iRL work has been killing me, but I should be back in playing again very soon.

#1 Guild <OGC> , ETERNAL SHAME for Grisvok-led Imperialist <AoS>

I have thoughts on this. First you're ranking guilds who have knowingly violated the basic rules of the game by exploiting their way through content. I have friends in EoE, but even I know they're far from the top 3 of the server. They're probably sitting in the 8 - 10 range.

My second concern is there are guilds on this list who haven't completed content, such as MIM with Faydedar. Should they be ranked at 5th? Should they be lower because they can't kill Faydedar. Should they be higher because we all know 1 group can kill Faydedar and giving anyone credit for that kill is ultimately a joke? If you want to utilize a ranking system, the criteria needs to be laid out in advance so guilds know what they're competing for if they choose to compete for a spot on this ranking, then they clearly know the target.

Lastly, the ranking is completely objective, with no subjectivity in it, yet you have situations like guilds going to kill Emperor, only to have their instance closed on them by DBG because they're bringing them down due to guilds exploiting the content (See my first concern). How can we downgrade a guild in the rankings when they likely would have completed the expac a week sooner had their instances not been shut down mid raid and they're forced to wait another week before killing emp?

I realize this is extremely difficult at best to police the issues I'm suggesting, but by creating a ranking system you're encouraging the discussion and therefore the criticism of the system. I would suggest going forward the rankings be wiped, and the criteria to appear on them be laid out. Let's be honest, none of the wins to date are about anything other than "who could who".

PoP will be an interesting test for these guilds as no one can block anyone elses progress. No key camps, no shenanigans impeding other guilds. It's simply a test of who can kill the bosses and level fastest.

I somewhat agree with the user above. With the added bonus of... who cares. Rankings mean little to all but a handful of people. Just list it alphabetically, with the date a guild first killed the mob listed and don't bother trying to rate or rank folks. Most people pick their guild based on who is raiding at times that fit in their schedule, with little concern for who is on top. The people who do care about who is "the best" can easily judge for themselves with a little research. So it's a whole lot of stress for very little reward.

Numbers don't lie.

So is this ranking system unbiased? What are the criteria used? Is there a system every guild and player can see that is being used? Or it's just based on who can kill pixels faster than someone else?

Meh ... I'd take this as something for specific people to wave pixel e-peens around.

It's based on who can kill pixels faster by any method possible. Personally I think these kind of things are pointless for this older content, the only thing that separates what is supposedly a top guild vs a medium rank guild or even a casual guild is how often they raid or how much they play. It's not as if any guild can't kill any of this stuff it's just a matter of how much you are willing to play(or how little you want to sleep) in the time a new expansion is released.

Lists matter little. Though I am wondering how some guilds who haven't completed everything cause they couldn't figure out how to exploit it are above everyone who has.

I think the rankings should be based on who tags the mob to get the server message. Can someone go through their logs and crunch those numbers for me, please.

All of luclin was trash as far as tracking kills. Especially considering multiple guilds "first" kills to get on this board were sploit kills of aten only. Get rid of every single thing on here other than Emp and VT give OGC the 1st Aten give AoS the 1st Emp and put x's for completed for anything else no dates are needed. Get rid of the lame 1 groupable akevha mob firsts that my guild has they are dumb, same with burrower and THO its all a waste of space everyone can do it.

Ok now MIM has a reason to kill faydedar. Bout to get 1 or 2 of my bros and go take down that beast of a boss...+1 for MIM baby! Coming for that #1 spot!

Edit = just thought of a suggestion, +100 for server first epics?

In all honesty I think having active raid schedules for each guild on the list would be a significantly more helpful tool versus the "who's better" rankings. In terms of people "looking" for guilds, the times people raid and the amount of time they raid is as important, if not more so, than who killed what first. Plus, who is "best" and what is "hardest" is always subjective, and ultimately you will always have players who are unhappy with ANY ranking system (on top of us all knowing that rankings will be heavily be based on in the next few expansions on hoping that the eq gods don't shut down your instance)

But then again, this website is mostly to make it so that the top % of players have something to strive for, versus being a helpful to those actually looking for a decent guild.

Who has the best geared members.
Don't care who got first if I got 500 more hp and 50 more ac than the best rival guild's member of my class!
That is all that matters in this game about dressing up our dolls.

Obviously.

8D

So who has the best geared members?

hahahaha what a joke, a site run by one of the biggest cheaters on the server ranking the other cheaters highly too... now everyone can see their e - pe en comparison

Daax - Your work is appreciated!

That said ranking guilds on this server is pointless. This content is easy. It's 15 years old. You might as well rank guilds by population and playtime.

The rankings also go easy on guilds who stopped raiding because exploits got fixed or their attendance dropped to 0. That same guild had to stop raiding the last month of Kunark and the last few weeks of Velious. Being ranked high when you can't even finish the expansion doesn't make sense.

Why is IVAS both # 7 and # 16 on the Luclin list?

The ranking system is simple guys...
The points given aren't for each individual kill.
They're ranked based on completion of the 'final' mob in the expansion.
For Luclin - that's Aten Ha Ra. For Velious, that was 'Sleeper's Tomb', and for Kunark, it was Phara Dar.

It's a race to the final boss, and the order of completion for that mob becomes your place on the ranking 1st through whatever.

So, this NEW ranking is a points system based on what place you finished each expansion overall. 1st to clear the last boss gets more points than the 2nd to clear the last boss.

Basically, it's a cumulative scoring of how you've done from expansion to expansion. If your guild grows and moves up the progression rank within each expansion, you'll also grow overall.

Just another way to categorize it.

You can check Magelo for that. Unbiased if you search by authenticated members only. They've synced their profiles without plugging in random items they don't have.