Paladin Wishes

Discussion in 'Tanks' started by Allayna, Jun 22, 2019.

  1. Kleitus_Xegony Augur

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    [Tue Oct 15 07:27:43 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7526 (14661) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:29:04 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:29:30 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14661 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:29:56 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:30:00 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:30:05 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:30:28 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:30:33 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 8969 (14661) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:30:55 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6143 (7330) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:31:00 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 12061 (14661) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:31:29 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 2886 (7330) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:32:15 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14661 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:32:30 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 1861 (7330) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:32:58 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:33:24 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 5133 (14661) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:33:48 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14661 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:34:08 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 3247 (15594) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:34:11 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 2886 (15755) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:34:54 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 13024 (14661) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:36:14 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14661 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:36:15 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14661 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:37:07 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:37:15 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:37:29 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14661 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:37:40 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14106 (15513) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:37:47 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 10297 (14661) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:38:51 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:38:52 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:39:42 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14661 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:39:46 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:40:27 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:40:31 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 15666 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:41:06 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 9661 (15447) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:41:25 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 2257 (7330) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:42:59 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14661 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:43:21 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 15552 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:43:42 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:44:03 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 15678 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:44:18 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:45:01 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:45:13 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:45:15 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 15534 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:45:26 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 15638 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:45:51 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6312 (14661) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:47:00 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14661 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:47:19 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14661 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:47:24 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 4292 (15520) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:47:40 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 11301 (15554) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:48:34 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:49:24 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 15666 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:50:48 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7330 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:51:06 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 15729 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:51:20 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14661 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:51:37 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14661 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:51:57 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 10536 (15447) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:52:04 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 2246 (14661) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:53:14 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:53:39 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:54:16 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14964 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:54:45 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 10536 (14738) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:54:53 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 5143 (13965) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:55:00 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 3755 (6982) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:55:27 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 11165 (14840) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:55:42 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 5273 (13965) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:56:12 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 7137 (13965) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:56:35 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 2257 (13965) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:56:38 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 3640 (13965) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:57:16 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 5617 (6982) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:57:28 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:57:40 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:58:19 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14873 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:58:34 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:58:43 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14871 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:58:45 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 13965 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:59:02 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:59:03 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 07:59:40 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 13965 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 07:59:50 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14852 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:01:05 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14845 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:01:11 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 4039 (6982) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:01:35 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14771 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:01:43 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:02:18 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14850 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:02:28 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 13965 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:02:41 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:03:11 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14742 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:03:25 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:03:58 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14876 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:04:31 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:05:17 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 13965 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:06:06 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14990 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:06:11 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14729 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:06:39 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:07:06 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:07:52 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 13965 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:07:54 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:08:38 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14729 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:08:49 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:09:30 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14917 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:09:37 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:09:58 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 13965 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:10:02 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:10:12 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:10:16 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:10:41 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 13965 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:11:11 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 13965 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:11:16 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14890 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:11:21 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14850 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:11:30 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:11:37 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:11:49 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 13965 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:12:52 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:13:08 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 3680 (14750) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:13:09 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:13:14 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 5068 (6982) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:15:25 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:15:51 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14838 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:15:59 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:16:10 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:16:10 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 14700 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:16:23 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6010 (14710) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII. (Lucky Critical)
    [Tue Oct 15 08:17:25 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6907 (6982) hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    [Tue Oct 15 08:20:02 2019] You are blessed with life. You healed Kleitus for 6982 hit points by Blessing of Life XXIII.
    Sorry for splitting that across 2 posts - it hit the max character limit for a single post.
  2. Wulfhere Augur

    Well said. Lifetaps are at least 3 times more powerful, towards the goal of killing an NPC, then a direct heal imho. They should not be commensurate at all.

    I believe the Devs know this because of the introduction of Vampiric Consumption (EoK) replacing Vampiric Strike on knight weapons. This is a check on SK power and forcing this on Paladins is an itemization failure.
  3. sojero Augur


    your heal can be modded where ours cannot, and ours has a max heal amount. So while the sk one is a bit better overall because it does damage, yours when abilities are stacked can heal for more, though it takes more abilities for this to be done, so not really worth it imo, but you should almost always have some heal mod going when you are tanking, so its gonna at least double the heals at all times. Also if sk lucky crit every time, it is 4k dps, neither the sk or the pally one is that good.
  4. sojero Augur


    Really sounds like you should roll an sk and drop the pally :) You want what we give up being able to help others for, while still being able to help others. We have been told in the past NO to many abilities that would help others because we are SK! You cannot have your cake and eat it to, the devs don't really like that it seems, they call it "class balance" for some reason.

    I actually really liked when a lot of SK dps was dots, and maybe it will go back to that with the dot revamp (may it happen before I die) and necro can put out some good heal amount as well, they have dots, swift dots, and lifetaps that they can use, so its not really abnormal for SK to be able to as well. They changed sk to be mainly strait lifetaps a while ago, even more so than the necro.

    Our self healing is wasted a ton of the time in most situations, just as your healing as well, my over heal on my parses is amazing! But when we really need it, it is great, just as when your group really needs them heals, or your raid really needs that splash, its really nice isn't it?

    Carry on my wayward son.
  5. Metapsyche Augur


    I have to agree with Sojero on this one. I honestly thing the HToT change is going to be HUGE for Paladins in helping us to take advantage of our healing in a “quality of life” conducive way. Again guys, the goal isn’t to bash on SK’s- we’re here to talk about improvements to the Paladin class. Quality of life, thematic, balance, and in my opinion the most important thing is that we stay unique and DO NOT simply become the “good(vs evil) sk”.
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  6. Qbert Augur

    Blessed Aura is +5%, assuming you meant that one?
  7. Xanathol Augur

    FTFY.
  8. Allayna Augur


    Really? I thought that's what it meant to play an SK?
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  9. sojero Augur


    It is. That's why it doesn't apply to pallies!
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  10. Wulfhere Augur

    How so? What spells are going to make a HUGE difference simply because we don't have to toggle target? Paladins are going to need a fancy new HToT heal spell, or two, to even earn a spell gem that makes this heralded change worth talking about.
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  11. Metapsyche Augur

    Merciful Light, y’all hate on it but it will be in every rotation of mine once that change is implemented. SEVERELY underrated spell in my opinion, and will add a ton of baseline healing thru the night. I could also see a shorter spam key like Crush - Crush - Valiant - Merciful - Burst being very utilitarian while opening up 2 spell slots that are currently used in my 7 gem spam key. After determining that Paladins are Mainly auto attack damage, I’d be less concerned with burst being in my rotation assuming I don’t have any twitch cure responsibilities.
  12. Wulfhere Augur

    That's hardly a change at all. Protective Devotion already has all the qualities of a future HToT Merciful Light. The huge spell you dream of is already in game. You've said why you don't use Protective.

    What you're repeating is that it would be huge for you to have Protective Devotion Guard stack with cleric Vie.
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  13. Metapsyche Augur

    *grins* I would LOVE for Guard to Stack (at least not overwrite) Vie, you are correct.

    Devotion: 6900 heal, 1 second cast, 2151 mana
    Merciful: 6900 heal, .5 second cast, 1310 mana

    To me ,these are wildly different spells. If you’re making the case for .5 second devotions then hells yah brother, I’m in.

    However, in the current state devotion is of little use to me in my current raids. But that could certainly change!

    **for what it’s worth I find guard overwriting Vie to be a fatal flaw in this spell, id even argue that it is borderline detrimental to use on raids.
  14. shiftie Augur

    [55296/4713] Rallied Greater Guard of Vie
    Classes: CLR/110
    Skill: Abjuration
    Mana: 1683
    Target: Caster Group, MGB: No
    Range: 100', AE Range: 100'
    Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
    Focusable: Yes
    Casting: 5.5s, Recast: 1.5s, Rest: 1.5s
    Duration: 72m+ (720 ticks), Dispelable: Yes
    1: Absorb Melee Damage: 10%, Total: 62036
    6: Cast: Light of Vie on Rune Fade

    vs

    [55255/4755] Shining Fortress Rk. II
    Classes: CLR/109
    Skill: Abjuration
    Mana: 1128
    Target: Single
    Range: 100'
    Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
    Focusable: Yes
    Casting: 3s, Recast: 1.5s, Rest: 1.5s
    Duration: 4.5m+ (45 ticks), Dispelable: Yes
    Max Hits: 72 Defensive Proc Casts
    1: Cast: Shining Defense
    7: Add Defensive Proc: Crippling Glare Beza V with 400% Rate Mod
    Surrounds your target with shining defenses, absorbing 10% of incoming melee damage for up to %z, and shining armor which will periodically lash out at their attackers, stunning them (up to level *#7@1) for up to *#7#1 seconds and reflecting *#7*%R%N, which heals for *#7*%R#1 hit points. The armor will fade after %L strikes.

    [25255] Shining Defense
    Classes: CLR/89
    Skill: Abjuration
    Target: Single
    Range: 150'
    Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
    Focusable: Yes
    Casting: 0s, Recast: 4.5s
    Duration: 4.5m+ (45 ticks), Dispelable: Yes
    Max Hits: 3200 Incoming Hit Successes
    12: Absorb Melee Damage: 10%

    making use of

    [55258] Crippling Glare Beza V
    Target: Single
    Range: 300'
    Resist: Magic -25
    Reflectable: Yes
    Focusable: Yes
    Casting: 0s
    Duration: 18s+ (3 ticks), Dispelable: Yes
    Recourse: Shining Health Beza V
    1: Stun for 1s up to level 110
    Stuns creatures up to level @1 for up to #1 seconds.

    [55261] Shining Health Beza V
    Target: Self
    Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
    Focusable: No
    Casting: 0s
    1: Increase Current HP by 3585

    What you are saying doesn't make much sense. As a paladin you should have Fortress on at all times - even with the reduced duration vs vie the impact is far greater. During our disc set (armor/mantle) those take precedence and nullify the vie from cleric. During all other times Fortress stacks and as you cast protective it doesn't bounce the vie so you only ever fluctuate 5% vie (10% from shining vs 15% from protective).

    Because of the 400% proc mod on Shining health and the fact that it can be modded if you aren't using it for a 72 min duration or a one time 6k heal.

    Unless I'm missing something that has changed so drastically since we argued to have the slot changed to stack with fortress - I don't understand what is going on here.
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  15. Metapsyche Augur

    hmmm it looks like I may have had my wires crossed. I was definitely thinking that fortress and guard both occupied Slot 1. I guess I stand corrected on protective being “detrimental”. Touché sir!

    From that aspect I would agree that devotion is superior to Guard of Vie (not fortress obviously). That puts protective devotion into the realm of holdover spell to spam until defenses come back up. I could see value in that.
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  16. Maedhros Augur

    The only true heal that is fast enough to be of any real use as a targets target heal is burst, but that universal cool down is brutal.
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  17. Wulfhere Augur

    Aren't we all making that case in this thread?
  18. Wulfhere Augur

    Agreed. Burst is supposed to be available to emergency heal anyone in range, infrequently.

    Assuming no spell haste improvements, I can see these spell gem trades for improved survival:
    • 1 Burst and 1 Light (hedging cool downs) for Censure + Protective
    • 2 Bursts for Censure + Protective
    • Burst for Censure
    • Light for Protective (both are on Timer 9)
    I'm expecting at least 1 fancy new combat heal spell that will narrow those choices. A modernized Timer 9 spell seems like the best place to retool.
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