Out of combat regen is coming next patch

Yeah, that makes sense. Having mana to play the game = boredom. Not having mana and sitting on your butt doing nothing forever to regen mana = fun. You nailed it.

The value is in learning how to not need to spend 5+ minutes of down time (i.e. learn to play efficiently) during normal play or not need to recover from a death because you learn how to not die.

OOC Regen, while nice on paper, turns the game into a burn-fest similar to Live. Pull a bunch of mobs, steamroll the mobs as fast as possible, then OOC regen back to full. Some people probably like that, others don't.

The only way to not need to med is to not spend the mana. Yup, that wizard is doing a bang up job casting 1 nuke every 3 minutes right?

I bet if we investigated all the ones who hate fun in this thread, we'd find they all play melee groups. They're just mad others will get something they won't

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if tens of rogues suddenly cried out in terror after the one thing they brought to groups over casters, sustained DPS that didn't require breaks, got taken from them

The wizard that is casting rain spells on 2 mobs properly taunted and grouped to maximize mana effic...nevermind. Just click boom x6, med for 1 minute and repeat. Way more fun than actually trying to maximize efficiency.

Again, different strokes and all...

Lol exactly. Would love to see how much these monk meta tryhards would like it if auto attacking drained stamina as fast as a wizard drained mana spamming their best nuke. And once you ran out of stamina, you couldn't auto attack anymore.

That sounds super fun. So compelling much engagement.

Everyone using wizards as an argument is in bad faith

We all know wizards suck in groups. Honestly I'd probably be okay with just wizards getting OOC regen for mana.

I am reminded of how everyone cried about FTE and how it "would change the core gameplay of EQ", except it really didn't change much at all. This actually changes how the game will be played from here on, and a lot of people aren't going to like it. There was no discussion or heads up, just slipped in a patch note one day out of the blue.

If they keep trying to change this game out of a playerbase, one day it's going to work.

Monk punch for 10
Wizard nuke for 350

Do you see why your comparison is bad?

Monk punch for 10
Wizard nuke for 350

Do you see why your comparison is bad?

I don't think it will be a big deal. Most groups find that sweet spot where their mana expenditure keeps up with their kill rate nicely and they are generally never out of combat and don't need to take med breaks. Those groups aren't going to change just because OOC regen is in. It'll mostly help soloers/duos who regularly need to med. Overall I think it will be a positive change.

Resource management is obviously a huge factor in typical EQ group gameplay and OOC regen effectively trivializes it. This isn't just a minor QoL change, it fundamentally changes how classic is played.

That said, via TLPs we've been playing classic on god mode for a while now, so it's just one more change along that line. It's a very superficial classic experience anyways

Until you look at parses and see most casters do literally nothing between raid targets because they are sitting and medding the entire time.

Those groups are going to change when they realize they can kill 5 mobs in 30s, regen full in 2 minutes, then repeat, versus slowly and efficiently killing mobs at half that rate.

It's going to completely change how the game is played (Wizards will actually be awesome in groups now!) and it's also going to wildly increase the need for mobs...which could get interesting.

I might suck down another bunch of krono just to see how it plays out and try a wizzy boom squad.

That isn't how it played out in GoD when they removed it previously, no reason to think it'll change in classic. Not everyone is out there trying to push the envelope. Most people are just going to play the game they have always played. I can't think of a single GoD-HoT group that burned all their mana in 30 seconds then sat around and meditated so they could do it again. At most you would have one person who got a little low sit out a pull or two and then jump back in. Kinda like they do now.

Not to mention I am certain that some other group would be happy to kill the mobs they are leaving sitting around while they med for 2 minutes. I haven't been in a single group that was only killing 2.5 mobs every 2.5 minutes. I have my doubts about burn and med actually being faster and with the competition for mobs it's not going to work out anyway, there aren't more mobs to kill, so they will probably just stick to what they have always done.

It is going to have an impact on raid time. It should be much faster to push through some of those slog-fest raid zones with OOC regen in.

Monks only punch once during a five second cast time? lol. Are you for real? You do know cast times exist, right?

You ever played during the aptly named 70's Meleequest era? Tell me more about class balance.

Jokes! Its a great time to practice thier comedy routines and get everyone laughing! Who do you think made up all the dead ranger jokes in kunark?

That's pretty impressive that you can attest to how all groups played post change.

Why would you not be killing mobs during those 2 and half minutes? A group member can stay ooc for a couple of kills and regen a good chunk of their mana back as opposed to what's currently possible.

Just because you enjoy sitting around doing nothing in a game you are paying to play doesn't mean that others agree with you or that it is a good thing.

If you are going to mention things such as the unknown and danger that have been removed from the game due to people now having full knowledge of the content it doesn't help your argument.

You still have to manage your resources as the regen is not changing for players who are in combat or have a combat timer. The only thing that is changing is you no longer have to sit around doing nothing for as long of a time.