No real plat sinks in EQ anymore?

Discussion in 'The Veterans' Lounge' started by Goth, Sep 23, 2014.

  1. Goth Augur

    It would seem eq needs to get plat out of players hands.

    Bazaar does nothing but shift the plat around. and now krono are 1Mpp mark and still climbing...

    There are bagillions of plat out there and no way to get it out of the system?

    I think it is time to add in some real plat sink or items that which you can buy from vendors for plat. Something needs to get the plat out of the players hands because of all the issues it causes.

    No reason to need more than 4 currencies in game. Gold much less silver and copper is completely worthless.

    Things to add to vendors the options are many really. The game needs more ways to get plat out of the game.

    • EQ only monthly subs
    • AA cap increase for FTP
    • Spell Unlocks for FTP
    • Prestige gear unlocks for FTP
    • Merc Unlocks for FTP
    • Merc Slots
    • Merc contracts
    • Heroic Chars
    • T1 group gear and other lower level gear.
    • buff potions All classes = both takes plat from game and afk junk in lobby. also add some unique buff potions that will benefit while playing. Various DPS, Tankin, Healing buffs.
    • Gate potions same things in guild hall but more pricey.
    • Meaningful stat food and drink that gives a buff when consumed rather than simply eating junk and taking advantage of the stat food
    • exp potions
    • Bags
    • Mounts (limited charges/casts)
    • Trade-skill stuff
    • Name changes
    • Titles
    • Heroes forge gear and unlocks
    • Taxing bazaar and barter transactions
    • New gold ticket game. T1 raid items. or something that is a very big carrot but cost a good amount of plat.
    • Casino? House always wins in the long run =)
    I think after a while the plat will normalize and be of more value.
  2. Robnie Augur

    I will say, and updated casino will go a long way into getting rid of some of the plat.


    Maybe put stuff like Manastone, Mask of Tinkering, Mosscovered Branch, Heart of Fungus on it.
  3. Shmid Journeyman

    Plat to station cash, 1 million plat gets you 1000 station cash. Vis versa so you can move plat cross servers.
    All tradeskill drops from non-current expansion on a merchant for whatever price merchants normally sell them for if players sold it to them. This would instantly crush a lot of bazaar barter/seller toons who keep jacking up prices on everything.

    Shmid
  4. Fendy Augur

    Most of the things you listed are currently dollar sinks intended to remove dollars from our wallets and put them in SOE's wallet via the marketplace. If you feel you have too much platinum please send your excess to me. Or another poor player. I can't afford 2 krono a month to keep my 2 accounts all-access. I definitely do NOT need a plat sink.
  5. Goth Augur


    ahh... you see the very reason you can not afford a krono is because there is no plat sink.

    The more the plat that is out there shifting hands the more the price of krono will go up.

    I dont think any of the plat sinks i listed are required by no means (other than taxing). Just a way to get more plat out of the game and thus lower the prices you will see on things in the bazaar.

    This is sort of how currency is stabilized. you have to have a way to take out currency to balance what you put in. The value of plat is very little because of how much is out there. The input of plat (mob drops and coin) is far greater than the output. Selling items in the bazaar is not an output. Only way its an output is if Player X with his 10Mpp quits the game and never comes back.
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  6. fransisco Augur

    umm...
    You cannot pay staff or the electric bill in platinum. If you could get everything from eq for plat (including subscription), eq would go out of business.

    The real trick to a plat sink is that it cannot be for something "required" that only the rich can afford.
    It would need to be something thats cool, but isnt needed to progress in the game. Otherwise your just giving incentive for poor players to buy plat.
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  7. Ruven_BB Augur

    Problem with that is if its really cool and not needed, they'll put it in the market place for revenue vs creating plat sinks.

    Ruven
  8. Goth Augur


    You pay plat for Krono. currently.. problem is it does not take any plat out of the game. It would better serve SOE to sell krono for $$$ which could then be sold to vendor for Plat. And then you buy krono in game from a vendor for subs.

    All of the items i listed are not required to progress in the game. and are something cool for folks to spend plat on.

    I would assume some of you cringe about raid gear on a vendor game as if it would kill the game? I have to say FV server is probably one of the best servers on the game and yet its all tradeable. Everyone has access to raid gear...
  9. Khat_Nip Meow

    And FV is where it should stay.
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  10. Agrippa Augur

    @Goth: Are you saying that Firiona Vie needs plat sinks, too? I'll put my vote as "No," thank you. Some have already mentioned ways to dump unwanted plat.
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  11. Goth Augur


    true

    But having both options would help the in game plat issue.

    Leave the better stuff exclusive to market place.

    Lets not think some of these items would be 1kpp in game. What does a bag cost on the MP? 2000-2500? about 1-2 krono worth? so i would say having a vendor 32 slot bag on there for 1Mpp. make some new larger bag for the MP for those he dont mind spending $$ for a bag.

    Me personally? i would not buy a bag for $25 anyway but i might spend 1Mpp on one because i can. This would take out that much plat from the game.

    Like i said the problem is the game generates more plat than it takes out. The game doesnt really generate a lot of plat in comparison to bazaar and barter sells.
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  12. Goth Augur


    All of them do including FV.. While it has a TON of bazaar plat movement it doesn't bleed any plat out of the server.

    The only way to truly dump plat is to destroy it or buy stuff on a vendor. Giving or buying plat on the bazaar does not take plat from the game.

    I remember years ago 100k was so freaking much plat. now 100k is to much for the poor and a drop in the bucket for those who have it. how did it get like that? years and years of not having a good way to take plat out of the game.

    btw FV is great. i spent a lot of plat when i moved there. but the krono market went form 750k to 1M+ in a month...
  13. Goth Augur

    IDK FV is freaking awesome.. Talk about the most unique market. IMO tradable gear is so much more enjoyable from no drop. Handing stuff down to alts and buying other peoples hand me downs is fun.

    other servers bazaar market is dead compared to FV insane bazaar market.
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  14. fransisco Augur

    Wrong

    Sony only sells Krono for cash.

    Players can then sell their kronos for pp - hence the bazaar. Kronos are so expensive because that is how much PP players want for real cash.
    Sony has no direct control over the pp cost of kronos
  15. fransisco Augur

    Your original list was most everything sold in the station store. You're basically asking to have all of it accessible in game via plat - which you currently have a ton of.

    Yes the game needs plat sinks. No - accepting plat in place of money won't happen.
  16. Goth Augur


    Sony can sell krono for cash but they would then be sold to a vendor for PP.. not bazaar trade

    the other side of how krono works is people buying a subscription for plat. People currently use plat to buy a sub. Thus you put krono on a vendor for people to buy subs for plat.

    Now the issue might be as to weather the vendor only sells what he has bought or just have unlimited krono for sell.

    ============

    my other options to remove plat are still valid.

    plat has to be removed one way or another or you just will have to continually make new currency to address the inflation from a lack of balance. with no balance it is just a continual cycle of devalued currency.

    it is the same as the alt currency. each year they come up with a new one and a year later that currency is pretty much worthless.
  17. Barbwarrior Augur

    plater sellers buyin krono and hoarding them and selling them on playerauctions etc for 8usd would be causeing the price aswell people sitting with hundreds of krono lol
  18. Ruven_BB Augur

    If they want a great plat sink without losing revenue from the market place, introduce Master Mercs at a high cost. The cost per benefit doesn't even have to be linear, but some improvement and something that makes them look different than current mercs so that players know you have a master merc over the ordinary ones. Even a win/win make the master mercs only purchasable in the marketplace. So more revenue to Sony and a plat sink while be used.

    This does 2 things, first if I am blowing 5k - 50k (no clue what an acceptable range should be) an hour for a merc, I am going to be more inclined to invite real players to save myself some material cash, and second, I am going to blow the higher amount because I am going to want the best that I can get, thus creating a nice plat sink at my choice, I can pay for it or not.

    Ruven
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  19. Goth Augur


    what other options would you suggest to remove plat?

    It has to be done, period.

    • EQ only monthly subs -- this is already avaiable in the bazaar but does not remove plat from the game. EQ only subs not all access 500kpp. Heck leave krono for all access and call this something else.
    • AA cap increase for FTP -- so do they even sale these anymore? 200k per 1000AA
    • Spell Unlocks (Rk2) for FTP (monthly unlock) -- they dont have this in MP 100kpp
    • Prestige gear unlocks for FTP (monthly unlock) -- they dont have this in MP -- 200kpp
    • Merc Unlocks (J5) for FTP (monthly unlock) -- they dont have this in MP -- 200kpp
    • Merc Slots -- Big deal? 1-2Mpp each slot 1 per char
    • Merc contracts -- 300k - leave the cooler merc contracts exclusive to MP
    • Heroic Chars -- 2-3Mpp
    • T1 group gear and other lower level gear. -- 50-150kpp i dont know going rate on normal servers for T1 group gear and low end gear.
    • buff potions All classes = both takes plat from game and afk junk in lobby. also add some unique buff potions that will benefit while playing. Various DPS, Tankin, Healing buffs. (100-1kpp)
    • Gate potions same things in guild hall but more pricey. (1-5kpp)
    • Meaningful stat food and drink that gives a buff when consumed rather than simply eating junk and taking advantage of the stat food (100-1kpp)
    • exp potions (100kpp)
    • Bags (1-2Mpp) keep best bags exclusive to MP
    • Mounts/illusions (limited charges/casts) (5kpp)
    • Trade-skill stuff
    • Name changes (2Mpp)
    • Titles (100-1Mpp) people dieing for new titles why not sell them.
    • Heroes forge gear and unlocks (1Mpp) not really sure why you have to pay $$$ to unlock a needed graphical feature. but i would pay pp for it.
    • Taxing bazaar and barter transactions. already a small fee for buying remotely.
    • New gold ticket game. T1 raid items. or something that is a very big carrot but cost a good amount of plat. (50kpp) very small chance to win game
    • Casino? House always wins in the long run =) bet uptoo 100k pp /random 1000 750+ get your pp back 900+ you get double 950+ you get triple.
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  20. shirozen Journeyman

    pay for raid equivalent gear that lasts a short time an hour 30 mins 15 mins whatever just enough for say an attempt at a end boss and your guild needs the dps boost. They can work like summoned items and poof when you log or ideally if its even possible to code it, make them poof when a 15 min timer runs out.

    So 1 million plat gets you something cotf T1 raid quality for 30 mins lets say. You could have guilds who arent that capable of progressing due to gear buy tanks gear and dps weaps and bam you have tons of people buying timed gear and you get rid of plat and help people progress But it wouldnt be permanent. Its not like them winning an event and flagging for the next teir matters. If they couldnt beat T1 cotf lets say due to gear they wont beat T2.

    Or group content where well...who really cares its group content