I do not condone cheating or hacking. While it may seem obvious enough, I've had a post removed before for "advertising" such practices, so I guess I have to make it clear from the get-go. Since the beginning of Hardcore Heritage, I began seeing the bot groups rolling into the two zones and setting up, so I decided to keep track of everything and compile it into easy-to-read numbers and my dissatisfaction towards the whole process. The realization that actions taken against these accounts is extremely slow-going (if any taken at all) and I wanted to make a point about it all. - For a period of 20 days, I watched, reported, and petitioned a total of 27 botters, from 9/1 to 9/21. - Of those 27 players, I had reported/petitioned approximately (to the best of my knowledge) 11 of them before in the past before Hardcore Heritage since the beginning of the year. - Of those 27 players, I reported/petitioned at least 17 of them more than once during HH. - Most of the cheaters were from raiding guilds, too. I informed some guilds of the offenders - none cared, at least the officers of the guilds anyway. As a bonus, I watched general chat and kept track of the names I've reported that were selling the cloak or ring. Nearly 35% (Yes, over one third) of all "WTS Ancient Cloak of Flames" were from the alleged botters I had reported. I wasn't in general chat all the time, and I'm not on all day, but that's the statistic of when I was. Less than 15% of sellers were anonymous or newbie bazaar vendors, the rest legitimate players with level and guild plainly shown in /who <name>. I made three petitions with multiple additions to add names of other cheaters I came across, took screenshots, /reported players, the whole yard. The responses were (summarized): - Automated response suggesting to use /report and include screenshots. - Thanks for reporting, but we can't tell you what may or may not happen to the offenders. - Can't verify anything because the players are now offline. - Can't take action unless verified they are cheating, but they'll get caught if they are. At one point after a report/petition, a GM came into the zone and wiped out the two groups I had reported. It was cool. But guess what? They were back after three days, every one of them. One group the GM had wiped I had reported since the beginning of this year. Unrelated but noteworthy, I had been reported a past guildmate for cheating (I was in a different guild at the time) for months, and watched him go from 3 players at level 80 with few AAs to 100 on all toons with over 4000 AAs each. I don't know if he was either banned or just quit, but he stopped logging in eventually. The point of it all is that whatever detections this game has for finding out cheaters, it's woefully inadequate. Furthermore, when witnessing a GM destroy a group (proving more or less they were cheating), how can there be no action taken? How is it that they have to be witnessed in real-time for anything to be done? These ill-gotten cloaks and rings obtained by cheaters were being sold for high amounts of platinum or kronos, which just allows them to continue on cheating. I had stopped reporting after the 21st because I know my efforts will most likely result in nothing. I found it very ironic that during this period, the thread "Wrongfully banned" comes up. Hah! TL;DR for the players who hate reading: Unless the cheating detection improves, or until more action is taken against hackers in a reasonable manner, I strongly advise against chaser items in the future. They know which mobs have them, they can kill and loot mobs while they sleep, and they they pretty much got away with it.