Necro swarm pets since the patch

Oh wow there was major transparency with the mage pet nerf. The first time I heard about it was "haha, they f'd up mage pet agro on test" from a guild friend. Did they fix it? Nope they redressed it as something beneficial to mages. So your nerfs are here to stay. They may package as something else, but it's not going anywhere.

He's referring to the Summer 2014 pet mitigation nerfs. As unhappy as I was at the time, I give them a ton of credit for the amount of communication and testing done to rebalance pets in a reasonable way. It was a *much* better model for class changes than the single-patch-note-bullet style they've recently been utilising.

This ^^^

Ok, I agree. But that nerf was obviously needed. The last few nerf to mages and now necros was uncalled for. There hasn't been any legitimate reason for it. At this point, we are lucky to get one line hidden in the patch notes.

I raid in a top 10 raid guild and we have lost in a week 1 necro app who stopped his app due to your nerfs of necros.

We run a raid build of 4+1 for necros, well we did. 2 retired or went inactive and now we just lost our 3rd. We are now down to 2 Necros and im asking myself why even invite them to the raid or even open the class up to recruit again? THEY SUCK!

GREAT JOB! Way to test this and NOT listen to your player base AGAIN!

We have gone from a healthy balanced raid to lacking casters because you decide to NERF classes because you didn't do your job.

In all of these years one would hope that you guys would actually have learned a lesson. Its simple really if you use common sense...

Build classes slowly and TEST them so they dont need nerfs. Listen to the people who play the game... Dont give something to people and then snatch it away. You PISS people OFF...

So we are now on to class death 2 thanks to people who obviously have no clue at all what it means to take pride in ones character or manage a player base.

My mind is boggled that you would leave content unfinished and broken YET AGAIN to nerf a class so bad and SO UNTESTED that they start disappearing.

Go ahead, nerf another class... dont fix actual broken stuff in the game, dont test it... no need, just nerf everyone or make another TLP server.

To all the great players we lost, you will be missed. You see, to some, its almost like losing family. Maybe you still dont understand that.

/rant off

And yet some classes still have it worse

That is sad...

I'm the necro that Ray is talking about that just retired and, while I definitely share his outrage, I feel like I need to provide some mitigating information before the necro trolls jump all over this.

Xislaben's estimates of a 25-30% DPS loss from the recent round of nerfs were basically dead on. It's more for burst, but we all know most of the raid events this expansion are pretty long (with a few exceptions), so the sustained estimates are more spot on. This is a punch to the gut, and wizards obviously are a better sustained DPS class now. But, that's not why I am leaving. The reason I am leaving is that forcing the class to take a step backward and do the asinine nuke->dot sequence is not in the least bit enjoyable. I hate that any event mechanics (e.g., cure on Life 2) that happen in the middle of my burn cause it to be completely thrown off. I hate that I need to alternate casting a discontinued spell line from RoF that does almost no damage in order to use my basic burn ability that every other caster in this GD game gets to just click one button to use. More than anything, I am not going to put up with now having to do almost twice as much work to get 50-75% of the results prior to the completely senseless GoDR changes. You want to nerf my DPS? Fine. Do it without making my class even more complex to play, when necros already had to bend over backwards to do what we do.

Going to be a lot more soon if necros keep losing or are in the ballpark of burst classes on fights of 5 minute, 10 minute, 15 minute duration despite all the work the class does. Never mind being the worst dps class there is in a group setting, not being in the ball park on burst dps and not having the ability to AE when applicable.

Nice job moving my thread here...

I DIDNT WANT IT HERE OR I WOULD HAVE POSTED IT HERE!!!

My thread had a completely different message and sentiment.

You guys burying threads here now so people dont see it?

Move my thread back to its original location!

Lame crap!

This is what drives me nuts as well. Imagine how much the other casters would enjoy the game if Improved Twincast was removed and replaced with Gift of Awful Twincast that required them to cast their worst dps spell in between each nuke to get their twincast effect. It's stupid. As a grouper, I also see zero reason for it not to work with swift dots.

It should just allow for twincasted DoTs. I even thought having to put up flesh to poison was annoying and unnecessary.

ANYONE ACTUALLY LISTENING?Q?Q?Q?Q

What I find funny is that the huge posts about the nerfs were all people kicking mages. Suddenly necros get a nerf, and everyone is enflamed. Sounds obvious to me which class was the brokenly overpowered class, and it wasn't mages.

Usually when an OP class is nerfed people flame them. When a class is fine, people complain about nerfs.

Your logic is not surprisingly backwards.

Pet changes affected us too, so we weren't happy about them either. I can't think of a single necro that was happy about the rain changes or wanted them to happen. I still think they were completely stupid and unneeded. Actually, now that I think about it, I would say mages have overall been the most supportive class about our nerfs, really. Except for you, of course.

I'm as frustrated by the repeated Mage nerfs and the accompanying anti-Mage sentiment on these boards as the next guy, but that's no excuse for defending nerfs to Necros. Maybe there was an argument for mana burn specifically to be changed (though personally I think the whole ability is ridiculous for any class), but the changes went way too far. I wish we had had the same support when rains were nerfed, but people have every justification to be angered over these nerfs

I wouldn't even bother responding to Fransisco. He has proven his incompetence multiple times. Any reply he receives just fuels his ignorance even further. Best to ignore the fool instead of giving him what he wants.

Well several threads that contain necro based issues have either been moved or rerouted or deleted all together. This to me means someone out there is actually reading them.....and still no more communication in any form other than a bullet 3/4 of the way down in the second release of the patch notes.......

Yes but it wasn't bothering anyone else. Your own personal lag means you're not supposed to be doing that. They nerfed beams because they said it was lagging other people.