Monk - Eagle's Poise vs. Tiger's Poise

Has anyone parsed these 2 out yet and figured out which is better in terms of DPS?

Haven't gotten around to it myself. Any data/thoughts?

use tiger poise until you max the aa

Punch Mastery
Focus: Dragon's Balance

once you max them, use Eagle's Poise

Even with max AA, I feel like I'm going to have to parse out the difference between the two to believe Eagle's would be a dps increase over Tiger's. Tiger Claw has the dmg mods on gear/augs, whereas Eagle Strike doesn't, but Eagle Strike does have the built-in passive occasional endurance return proc. Either way, it'd be minimal, as these are long reuse.

I’m confused

Pourquoi?

Because multiple people are talking about completely different things.

Auto skill abilities:

Tiger Claw
Eagle Strike

Disciplines:

Tiger’s Poise
Eagle’s Poise

I think the discussion is arising because Tiger's Poise gives you a chance to attack with an additional Tiger Claw attack, whereas Eagle's Poise gives you a chance to attack with an additional Eagle Strike attack. So it's not really clear which is higher DPS as Tiger Claw is higher DPS than Eagle Strike traditionally.

Eagles poise is a direct upgrade from tigers poise. Don’t be confused by the names. They don’t depend on tiger claw or eagle strike.

https://www.raidloot.com/Spells.aspx?name=Poise&class=Monk

I'm pretty sure it isn't a direct upgrade, though. It's an actual additional Tiger Claw attack for Tiger's Poise and Eagle Strike for Eagle's Poise.

1: Eagle Strike Attack for 553 with 10000% Accuracy Mod
Executes a %S attack of base damage #1 against your target.

1: Tiger Claw Attack for 527 with 10000% Accuracy Mod
Executes a %S attack of base damage #1 against your target.

Also evidenced by the fact that the only reason my Eagle's Strike is now maxed is due to using Eagle's Poise a few times.

so ran some parses on test just to refresh my own memory. I reset my AA to Zero lol and was slowly adding in aa's to check.

Punch Mastery does not affect the minimum dmg of the Poise line of disciplines. (for some reason i thought it did, but then again they changed that line since TDS) my bad for adding to the confusion with this one =P

The Skill Damage Mods also do NOT work on the Discipline either.

on test its max normal hits:

Tiger's Poise III = 10380

Eagle's Poise II = 10628


only things that actually increase the damage of these *Disciplines is Attack, Strength (Hstr), Dex (Hdex), Focus: Dragon's Balance AA line


Cheers~

If skill dmg mods for tiger claw on gear aren't working for the additional tiger claw attacks generated from our tiger's poise line, it's more than likely a bug. The only reason I was considering sticking with Tiger's Poise was because of this, due to Tiger Claw attacks historically being our hardest hitting punch autoskill. I'm having 0 issues with endurance currently so the endurance return passive proc hasn't been a factor, but that may change with some of the long raids coming soon.

Also, what Sabrefist said is correct. The initial post was about which Poise to use, and it boils down to which line of extra procs you want during your burn basically. I was always using TC because of the skill dmg mods, which I'm now being told don't affect the procs on Poise line. When I said it really doesn't matter, its because these Poise lines have such long reuse timers and are so close in terms of proc damage output that the actual dps disparity is quite small regardless of what you pick.

I've been told by numerous monks that Dragon's Balance is still higher dps than tiger or eagle and they still use it

No

The thing I've been going back and forth on is what do I pair it with Terrorpalm or Speedfocus? but I think this is wrong? Maybe I should pair it with just Speedfocus cas of the extra melee attacks? Or pair it with ironfist because it adds dmg to the extra attack? Now I am arguing my way into having to parse it to to find out /sigh