Monk 2hb AC Question - broken?

Discussion in 'Melee' started by kyong, Mar 14, 2017.

  1. kyong Augur

    Can someone tell me if I'm wrong. Have staff of the dragoon EoK raid 2hb. It has 265 AC. I equip it and I gain 113 mitigation. I equip a 295 AC Shield, and gain 400+ mitigation.

    Broken? This has been parsed in the past to show the same effect as a shield on Monkly-Business. Perhaps at some point they broke it.
  2. kyong Augur

  3. fransisco Augur

    Shields give you their full mitigation.
    Non-shield items are subject to the ac soft cap. You are gaining less ac from the weapon because it is not a shield.
  4. kyong Augur

    From that post I linked. Just wondering how to explain the decreased average hit parse when 2hb equipped (in 2013)

    Defensive parses for 2hb/shield/weps. Buffs were: DoDH instaclick resist mask, 16% overhaste from T4 VoA raid ring, Form of Defense from T4 VoA raid ring, nagafen familiar and RoF T2 raid shoulder clicky 20% dodge.

    Normal Weapons:
    Tanking summary for: Maereaxex --- Total damage: 8032264 --- Avg hit: 612 --- Swings: 192481 --- Defended: 138138 (71.8%) --- Hit: 13123 (6.8%) --- Missed: 41220 (21.4%) --- Accuracy: 24.1% --- Dodged: 29350 (35.1%) --- Parried: 0 (0%) --- Blocked: 68656 (35.7%) --- Riposted: 40132 (32.4%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%)

    2HB w/ max AA
    Tanking summary for: Maereaxex --- Total damage: 5444090 --- Avg hit: 508 --- Swings: 239734 --- Defended: 195539 (81.6%) --- Hit: 10713 (4.5%) --- Missed: 33482 (14%) --- Accuracy: 24.2% --- Dodged: 36285 (45.1%) --- Parried: 0 (0%) --- Blocked: 108678 (45.3%) --- Riposted: 50576 (38.6%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%)

    Shield w/ max AA
    Tanking summary for: Maereaxex --- Total damage: 7982374 --- Avg hit: 490 --- Swings: 242576 --- Defended: 175179 (72.2%) --- Hit: 16281 (6.7%) --- Missed: 51116 (21.1%) --- Accuracy: 24.2% --- Dodged: 38131 (36.1%) --- Parried: 0 (0%) --- Blocked: 86155 (35.5%) --- Riposted: 50893 (32.5%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%)
  5. fransisco Augur

    There isn't the info to make any conclusion. Did you parse 2hb vs shield against the same mob for the same mob?
    If you are just combining time from your normal play file, then the data is invalid, because you might have spent more time using a shield against harder hitting mobs.
  6. kyong Augur

    Wasn't my parse, was from another in the link I posted above. I'd testcopy, but it's broken and timing out. Thought this was pretty common "insider knowledge" for monks that having a 2hb equipped somehow lowered average hit. I always had assumed it was because 2hb ac = shield ac but maybe it's something else going on.
  7. mackal Augur

    That was never a thing so it was never broken. Only defensive bonus for 2hb is staff block. They most likely parsed horribly wrong.
  8. fransisco Augur

    tanks would have LONG ago realized 2h ac gave shield benefits. They use 2h weapons a ton.

    Those parses are probably what I suggested - combined play time. And the player would have worn a shield when fighting tougher things, so the parse would be biased to begin with.