Mitigation

Me too!, Especially since I can't activate my AA, Class specific abilities when purple, or proc when purple, really if that't basis of your argument...

Forgive my ignorance but...zero dodges and zero blocks for the warrior? Was no shield equipped for the warrior hen the paladin had to have the shield equipped for blocks...perhaps I'm missing something.

To be honest I thought it was odd too. All my warriors that raid, all with shields were not registering dodges. I checked prior logs on Luclin same no dodge (other events show dodge). It is on my to do list to see if there is a bug somewhere unless someone else has any idea why or has noticed something similar.

The facts I have without further testing:

-All filters open, shields full mitigation set up. Maximum disc use and specials, and full proper buffs.
-Dodges on prior events that night register in normal range, but nothing for a single warriors on Luclin.
-Finding it odd before I posted here, I went back and looked at prior luclin encounters. Dodges did show there for warriors either.
-All runs show knights getting success dodges.

Sounds wonky too me. Anyone have thoughts? I admit I have been busy this week to really dig into it or think on the matter much.

Wow typos! Meaning in previous post neither dodge nor blocks in all accounts, and Dodge/blocks DID NOT show there for warriors either.

I don't see how it could be a parser error and I doubt if there's a different successful dodge message for knights and Warriors -besides, you see Warrior dodges in other events. There's not going to be duplicate code/multiple successful dodge messages.

It sounds like Warriors aren't getting dodges in that event. Might want to check with some other Warriors. If that's the case maybe we've got something else that goes off first and allows no dodges (doesn't look like it given your data) or something like high mob attack is preventing Warriors from dodging and not knights (same method used for all of us but Warrior data is not what it should be - a bug).

I will check my parser when I get home! Seems strange to not have any register.

Very strange looking on Chelsith raid Vyza`dra to be precise none of our warriors dodged anything also.
See 3 warrior dodge on slave driver total between 2 warriors one tanking 2 .5 million. 0 dodges on kilsev either but we didn't take a ton of damage from Kilsev.

Will keep checking deeper to see if there is an issue.

[Mon May 06 21:08:29 2013] You begin casting Brell's Sacred Stone Balm.
[Mon May 06 21:08:41 2013] You begin casting Brell's Sacred Stone Balm.
[Mon May 06 21:08:43 2013] You begin casting Brell's Sacred Stone Balm.

Many more from that same parse...just grabbed a sample to show that dodge is indeed working vs Vyzh`dra the Godslayer on Chelsith Raid.

I think something is off with how this and Luclin raids report dodge and block...but by all means they seem to be working unless Shawl proc doesn't actually proc off when the dodge skill is used.

Note: My parses as well show 0% dodge and 0% block, but the proc is evidence itself that dodge is working fine

Great point Explicit, I know my aug was procing a lot too. Odd...

Mitigation is more important in a raid setting than self healing.
Anyone that did the beast below raid pre-nerf can attest to it. What has become a problem is that knights heal to make up for a lack of mitigation as their way to offset incoming damage. With the new knight tank disc it pushes self healing beyond warrior mitigation in a combined/symbiotic fashion and that is a problem.

that is the reality of the situation and all you need to know.

/GU Tanking summary for: Insaneox --- Total damage: 9073203 --- Avg hit: 16496 --- Swings: 724 --- Defended: 71 (9.8%) --- Hit: 550 (76%) --- Missed: 103 (14.2%) --- Accuracy: 84.2% --- Dodged: 7 (1.1%) --- Parried: 51 (7%) --- Blocked: 0 (0%) --- Riposted: 13 (1.9%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%) From Reborn

/GU Tanking summary for: Insaneox --- Total damage: 7169813 --- Avg hit: 17835 --- Swings: 583 --- Defended: 65 (11.1%) --- Hit: 402 (69%) --- Missed: 116 (19.9%) --- Accuracy: 77.6% --- Dodged: 0 (0%) --- Parried: 48 (8.2%) --- Blocked: 0 (0%) --- Riposted: 17 (3.2%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%) From PoS

Another Reborn /GU Tanking summary for: Insaneox --- Total damage: 7470522 --- Avg hit: 16675 --- Swings: 610 --- Defended: 73 (12%) --- Hit: 448 (73.4%) --- Missed: 89 (14.6%) --- Accuracy: 83.4% --- Dodged: 4 (0.7%) --- Parried: 43 (7.1%) --- Blocked: 1 (0.2%) --- Riposted: 25 (4.4%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%)

PoShadow /GU Tanking summary for: Insaneox --- Total damage: 2806093 --- Avg hit: 4871 --- Swings: 1211 --- Defended: 467 (38.6%) --- Hit: 576 (47.6%) --- Missed: 168 (13.9%) --- Accuracy: 77.4% --- Dodged: 89 (10.7%) --- Parried: 212 (18.2%) --- Blocked: 44 (3.6%) --- Riposted: 122 (12.8%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%) <----------------this seems odd? nm after looking at parse more figured this out

Dodge does seem to be registering odd.

ok after 2 pages i give up reading this rerun.

but i will say i as a tank have NEVER agreed with ANY version of xAC=yHP and never will. you need both, however the more of one you have the less of the other you need in the end..until the next time. you dont drop a 50ac augfrom your shield to put in a 500hp aug do you? or even a 50ac aug from your armor for a 500hp aug? cmon people. that formula is so ancient its pathetic.

that said: mitigation is mitigation. healing is healing. selfheals were given to knights TO MITIGATE the impact of our lesser mitigation. how you like that one?

that said, yes, its how it works: if a mob can 1round you (and sorry to break ti to ya but the game isnt centered around the big 10, so yeah rof mobs can 1round a lot of people whether it serves your pursoses or not) then selfhealing means nothing exceptagainst aes (and only when also not tanking heh)

on top of that..the example of the sk hitting their epic? um hello? its a group buff. you can get that click form the sk jsut as well as they can give it to themselves, you wont get as much from it but guess waht..we dont get to share in your mitigation, we're even. actually..no, we're still not even, back to the whole mitigation +/+ healing

i find it funny though it keeps being said..oh sks this sks that..then when talkigna bout ACTUAL tanking in the big 10 etc..its war/pal/war..not sk/pal/sk..wait i thought you all said knights obsoleted wars? oh you mean only paladins? oh sorry, oh you mean only when you're fighting trivial mobs? oh oh i see so wars are still wars, pals are better when it becomes farm fodder..and sks are..the groupers i guess.

everyone has issues, well, most do in different situations, but no one wants to open their eyes and see that your loss in one area doesnt mean others didnt lose in another, etc. you can only see your own problems. how bout some cross-class empathy lol

anyway. mitigation is good, heals are good. they are not the same never have been never will be. ac is good. hps are good. they are not the same and can NOT be compared by any algebraic equation, sorry.

time for groceries

fixed it

Hrmm still no dodge reporting tonight for warriors on Luclin. 0 add tanking in this merge. Insaneox was your data isolated to Luclin tanking? I find it odd that it reports ok for others though at this point.

/GU Tanking summary for: Warrior --- Total damage: 6722081 --- Avg hit: 15277 --- Swings: 681 --- Defended: 46 (6.8%) --- Hit: 440 (64.6%) --- Missed: 195 (28.6%) --- Accuracy: 69.3% --- Dodged: 0 (0%) --- Parried: 38 (5.6%) --- Blocked: 0 (0%) --- Riposted: 8 (1.2%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%)

/GU Tanking summary for: Paladin --- Total damage: 4790022 --- Avg hit: 15062 --- Swings: 487 --- Defended: 69 (14.2%) --- Hit: 318 (65.3%) --- Missed: 100 (20.5%) --- Accuracy: 76.1% --- Dodged: 15 (3.4%) --- Parried: 10 (2.2%) --- Blocked: 30 (6.2%) --- Riposted: 8 (1.8%) --- Absorbed: 6 (1.2%)

Combined: Luclin on 5/14/2013
Warrior - 346
--- Brell's Sacred Stone Balm - 7
Produced by GamParse v1.0.3
Still unsure if we should be concerned or not.

Side note, combing through logs, I notice I was actually dodging on Luclin up to the 21. That was the last raid I made a successful dodge on that event. That was the night I finished my raid shawl aug. I wonder if there is any correlation there.
Otherwise something changed when they did the first tuning pass on the event maybe.

[Sun Apr 21 17:22:02 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:22:21 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:22:38 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:22:41 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:23:02 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:23:09 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:23:32 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:23:33 2013] A being of light tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:41:59 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:42:08 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:42:13 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:42:16 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:42:18 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:42:27 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:42:30 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:42:37 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:43:37 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:43:56 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:44:36 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:44:38 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 17:50:36 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:10:58 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:11:04 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:11:27 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:11:28 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:11:36 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:12:15 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:12:20 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:33:54 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:33:58 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:34:01 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:34:14 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:34:18 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:34:26 2013] Luclin tries to kick YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:34:46 2013] Luclin tries to bash YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:36:25 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:36:41 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:36:48 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:36:57 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:44:32 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:44:57 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:45:17 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:45:21 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:45:21 2013] Luclin tries to bash YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 18:45:24 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 19:05:36 2013] Shadow of Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 19:05:58 2013] Shadow of Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 19:06:00 2013] Shadow of Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 19:06:19 2013] Shadow of Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 19:07:02 2013] Shadow of Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 19:08:06 2013] Shadow of Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 19:08:10 2013] Shadow of Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 19:13:09 2013] Shadow of Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 19:19:27 2013] Shadow of Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 19:20:12 2013] Shadow of Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 19:21:04 2013] Shadow of Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 19:21:56 2013] Shadow of Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 19:22:15 2013] Shadow of Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 19:22:47 2013] Shadow of Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Apr 21 19:23:19 2013] Shadow of Luclin tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!

This week tanked Luclin and parser again recorded 0 dodge on the tank log. Will check deeper when get home but something between game and parser don't seem to be working properly vs Luclin.

[Mon May 13 12:59:59 2013] Luclin tries to hit YOU, but misses!

Got tons of the above message but not 1 single Dodge recorded? Looked over parser and Dodge is working on all other events as should.

This was last fight verse luclin.
/GU Tanking summary for: Insaneox --- Total damage: 22274095 --- Avg hit: 16912 --- Swings: 1889 --- Defended: 167 (8.8%) --- Hit: 1317 (69.7%) --- Missed: 405 (21.4%) --- Accuracy: 76.5% --- Dodged: 0 (0%) --- Parried: 127 (6.7%) --- Blocked: 0 (0%) --- Riposted: 40 (2.3%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%)
Dodge doesn't seem to be recording properly?

I posted this in another topic: 2 combined fights on Slavedriver
Tanking summary for: Allen --- Total damage: 16810285 --- Avg hit: 16513 --- Swings: 1388 --- Defended: 144 (10.4%) --- Hit: 1018 (73.3%) --- Missed: 226 (16.3%) --- Accuracy: 81.8% --- Dodged: 9 (0.7%) --- Parried: 104 (7.5%) --- Blocked: 5 (0.4%) --- Riposted: 26 (2%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%)
And this is another 2 combined fights on the Slave Driver
Tanking summary for: Allen --- Total damage: 16966220 --- Avg hit: 16329 --- Swings: 1399 --- Defended: 129 (9.2%) --- Hit: 1039 (74.3%) --- Missed: 231 (16.5%) --- Accuracy: 81.8% --- Dodged: 6 (0.5%) --- Parried: 90 (6.4%) --- Blocked: 3 (0.2%) --- Riposted: 30 (2.3%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%)

Parry rate only better because I was hitting Flash of Anger... A lot... Either way, I am dodging, it is getting picked up...

I may be wrong... But doesn't that just mean you're attempting to dodge - Kind of like weapon procs on misses?

Honestly, I zero clue about the inner workings of defensive procs. I'm not sure if there's even such a thing as attempting to dodge either (wouldn't that just be a "hits you for x dmg" deal?).

I'm going off the description and spell data which reads :
Brell's Might
1: Cast on Skill Use: Brell's Sacred Stone Balm (22% Chance)
2: Limit Skill: Dodge
Has a chance to cast a rune every time the dodge skill is used.

Taking that into account, it's 100% impossible for this to proc if you do not dodge.