Lockjaw rotation shattered by Faceless - Full FFA time begins?

Another guild's target was taken by MM while members of FI sat around just telling them they were removed from rotation. Where was the rest of FI and MIM to protect Peace's mob? No where to be seen even after MM's initial wipe to Inny. Please enlighten the forums as to why FI and MIM just sat back and watch it happen? It could have been prevented had FI even attempted to show up no? you guys gotta get over yourself with this fiasco.

mobs FI does not kill? lol u obviously are oblivious to the server rotation. if FI does not kill dragons/gods why are they even on rotation? if u check all FFA slots you would see that FI is on majority of em. FI kills what FI wants to kill is their motto. FI knew by eliminating efreeti from rotation it would upset MM thus forcing MM's hand to stand up for themselves. The lower guilds knew the feud between FI and MM was never going to be amicable, instead of trying to reason with both of the guilds, their leader and officers cowered and folded to FI because they knew that efreeti being eliminated from rotation had no effect to them as they werent even on efreeti's rotation. if u were to go back and look at the logs you would see even Yukan wanted to contest removing efreeti but was shut down. what happened to AD? they broke because of a spineless leader refusing to contest. MIM knows they suck, they have no choice but to back a guild that is already handing them loot. If all the other guilds stood up and contested this choice none of this would be going on. Btw the efreeti before MM was faceless which they passed over to MIM who couldnt finish the cycle. Guilds knew this was going to happen they just chose not to. Being spineless cowards cost this to happen, if every other guild is placing blame, then place blame on yourselves also. Next time, have a damn spine and stand up for yourselves.

the census from the server is burn MM, lets continue our rotation without them!

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MM will not back down until the rotation is returned to a fair state, and Faceless gives concessions for their actions.

As that is unlikely to happen, I don't expect anything to change.

I love when Croak goes into Book-Novel Response mode with his holier than thou attitude.

Why try so hard to deflect the hatred from MM for taking the route of maximum disruption? What you are basically saying is that because FI was willing to let others have *most* of what they wanted, MM is now going to try and not let anyone have what they want but still trying to represent it as though they are making the righteous move here.

Keep sending all of the MM members over here to reply too, because the messages are getting totally mixed now. Now, MM is doing this because the other guilds are "spineless." So which is it? They want everyone to have a fair shot or they want to belittle everyone and take all the the mobs?

There are two main options, Croak.
Watch as 1 guild locks down 100% of all raid targets.
Come to a compromise where more than 1 guild gets to participate in killing raid targets.

We choose option two.

We are all aware of the proposal for option 3, all band together and fight Goliath, and we still choose option two. It is what it is. Sometimes you have a choice between two suboptimal outcomes, MM would do well to respect our choice and move on.

no one trying hard to deflect hatred toward MM? everyone already knows/hate MM so why keep bringing that up? is this whole thread not about hating MM? I think that is already clearly established. FI doesn't let others have "most" loot as you keep thinking, if they did why would they want more FFA and why do they have the most FFA kills? If more loot to the server was the goal why would FI go after FFA targets? That just doesnt make any sense. If FI let the weaker guilds content FFA mobs among themselves that would bring more loot to the server no? They go after FFA mobs to feed guilds like MIM to keep them in their hold obviously.

Secondly, if others guild leaders actually stood up to FI, the server wouldn't be in this situation. You can ignore the bullying all you want until it effects you. Now that MM supposedly started to bully the other guilds it makes the server erupt. Why because now it effects everyone rather than just MM.

FI is the new TL. bend the knee? be happy with the scraps we give you? seriously? what happens to all the complacent guilds when kunark comes out and FI decides to force more rotation changes on you because there is new stuff they want? looks like more classic kills for another 3 or so months into kunark.

they will continue to bend the knee until FI deems classic era items are obsolete so other guilds can start to farm them and then hold kunark to themselves until velious while the other complacent guilds can keep farming out dated crap.

Removed.

Without that rotation you will need to FFA every target. Now the way I heard it, it took 4 hours for MM + friends to kill Inny. 2+2 = curbstomp.

Exactly everyone already hates MM. So why are there so many people trying to say that MM is doing what they are doing for righteous reasons?

As far as "standing up" goes that's pretty unfair. You are basically saying that because other guilds didn't see it from MM's point of view, that they share the blame for MM's actions.

Look, it's one thing to about taking mobs FFA. There are no rules and you can do that. What really pisses people off is that you are trying to blame everyone else for your actions.

Even in the unlikely event that MM back down, the non-rotation players who make up the largest subset of the community, and if you count alts boxes then most likely the majority of the server, have still lost their only community day.

That will likely eventually mean that the guilds crying that MM are killing their mobs will still be crying.
They are easily capable of killing most of the mobs on rotation that are on 24hr rotation.
Tons of time to assemble somewhere, work out their strat, then move.

The rotation is dead, killed by the decisions forced upon the weak at a meeting that didn't comply with rotation rules.

You probably need an option 4 on all mobs to have enough incentive for everyone to participate.

25% FFA
25% Community (excludes those that have protected rotation day)
50% Rotation

And of course there is the 5th option I suggested to Roshen which is to remove Efreeti cycle until Kunark, and maybe even further mobs if the rotation refuses to play nice with the whole server, not just a dictator & their sycophants.

Of course option 1 with 1 guild playing Santa handing out CoF etc to other guilds might be attractive to some for a while, but I can't believe they will be willing to batphone/sock on mobs to then hand loot out forever.

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No one has to respect your choice to play the victimized, battered wife simply because he pays for your lifestyle.

Oh for the love of god quit acting like you are some champion of the people here.

You know why community day for the server no longer matters? Because there is no enforcement for it, its community server day every day.

If the commuinity wants to go up and KS efreeti from any guild on the server, guess what? THEY CAN! Literally nothing anyone can do about it. Its their day, every day.

If Joe schmo wants to organize a raid and the attendees are all non TLP progression members and he wants to down CT in the middle of the night, its fair game even with the rotation in place. And their is literally nothing you can do about it, what would you do take away "community server" day?

Thats like taking away guns from law abiding citizens, the law breakers give zero for your law to begin with.

So, your saying that FI choose not to victimize us so MM is "forced" to do it, since they got smacked at Efreeti...

Got it.

Whatever, basically MM was kicked from the rotation as soon as the "Rotation guilds" decide to not invite them to a meeting. Anyway It was just faceless calling a meeting to tell the other guilds they own the rotation now. Forum quest away boys.

No everyone else is blaming MM for their action which caused a reaction get over it. They had their choices as you can see.

You and others jumping on FI's bandwagon obviously only think short term rather than long term. If FI chokes you down now until velious what will guilds do? farm posky/gods/dragons until they can get into kunark? i will assure that those guilds will fold before they even enter VP.