Krono Solution

Make Krono only tradable 2-3 times than after the 2nd or 3rd trade, make it no drop (forced to consume for game time on that account). Make them different items like krono1 krono2 and krono3 (or give them charges).
Make all krono within the game right now first hand krono (easier to track and program that way)

Advantages:
1. Krono re-sellers would always desire first hand krono which would fetch the highest prices. This encourages players that want to buy items to by them from DBG.
2. Allowing a couple of trades allows players to use 2nd and 3rd hand krono as buying power.
3. The cheapest krono to buy (in game) would be 3rd hand krono which becomes no drop upon trade (or just automatically consumes upon trade). Those who desire just to use krono to renew their subscriptions would likely not have to pay as much in-game-currency for it which encourages folks to consume the krono.

Disadvantages:
1. Probably very hard to program and implement.
2. Would probably have to be across games.
3. Would mess with re-sellers.

What do you think?

You are trying to solve a problem that isn't a problem, from Daybreak's perspective. Why would they fix something that is working exactly as intended and bringing in lots of $$?

Edit to add -- Everquest is also small pickins' in the Daybreak universe. They are not going to introduce any change to platform-wide products on the basis of the impact on one or two servers on one of their less popular games.

What is the problem you are trying to solve? People not using krono?

people need to stop "trying to fix" krono. There is nothing broken. It's an in-game currency that is tradeable and able to be used for 30 days of game play ACROSS MULTIPLE GAMES. There is no reason for them to change krono as they are doing what they are intended to do, as soon as you understand that the better off you will be.

Problem:
Daybreak Games is missing out on a lot of Krono sales throughout their games because of third party RMT sales and the sheer number of Krono that isn't being consumed within their games.

Solution:
Incentivise players who buy Krono directly from Daybreak and have a system that limits how many times a Krono can transfer hands before it has to be consumed.

Why get so offended by a system that encourages the flow of krono from DBG to consume instead of the current system that is recirculating krono constantly and not being consumed fast enough?
It's funny to me who replied to this thread IMO. Sound pretty vested to me.

Except they aren't. They are getting even more krono sales, because they periodically ban RMT accounts that are holding kronos. Which results in the perfect scenario for Daybreak--they get money for nothing.

Wowjustwow, you clearly understand why you want DBG to sell more Krono, it gives them profit.

You haven't outlined why they would want people to consume them though. As soon as they are consumed, then DBG is now losing their money from that sale. It costs them more to provide the account services that is tied to the consumption, than it costs them to change a 0 to a 1 for quantity of krono an account has.

Every krono that is being horded is just pure net profit for DBG. Then like Machentoo pointed out, every now and then accounts get banned and all those un-used krono are removed from circulation.

Net result, Daybreak games gets $17 per krono that went unused, where they didn't have to provide service to.

Yes, RMT will buy / sell all day, DGB doesn't get any of that profit from the re-sales, but DBG never paid out a service for the funds they also did not receive. At this point, they aren't losing revenue. Yes they are losing potential revenue from selling more Krono, but that would be only if the buyer would buy through them instead. They are actively combating this by banning RMT accounts.

I don't see how adding restrictions that would reduce the DEMAND for them, helps DBG. (You would be removing customers who are looking for in game resale for plat, or looking to transfer their stockpiles from one sever to another.)

TL&DR;
By removing the continuous trade function, you are removing the buyers who are looking to stockpile to resell for more plat later, thus reducing the demand, thus reducing the value to the buyer, thus reducing the overall sales, and lowering the MARGIN for DBG per krono sale, as more would be consumed vs stockpiled.

That is my viewpoint.

I am under the impression that a vast majority of the recent bans were more focus'd towards unattended game play and not RMT. There, by nature, was plenty of overlap of the RMT businesses. Yes, some of the more blatant/sloppy RMTers that don't play smart are probably getting banned too but I wouldn't imagine that would be very hard to hide activities.

The reselling value is the reason I say let them be traded 2-3 times first. People would still horde them.

In game, the value of krono will go up as it is being consumed (supply and demand will always be there; supply will go down so demand will go up) because finally there is a sink and as the value of krono goes up, more people will buy krono directly from DBG.

Re-circulation is of no value to DBG. New circulation is where they get their money.

Also as far as I am aware, DBG doesn't account for the money that you paid for krono until that krono is consumed. The reason why is because you can use the Krono across multiple games. This means in an environment where Krono is being used as a currency instead of to pay for accounts, it hurts DBG's (specifically Everquest's) pocket.

That being said, DBG makes the money off the sale, but you may be right where it doesn't get applied to the platform as a bookkeeping / paying that line of business until its consumed.. I don't know how they work their inner financials.

This sounds like it will just be creating supply of newer krono, while not changing the demand at all for consumption. It may hamper the RMT and buyers/resellers, but how do you know that wouldn't hamper the demand enough where some other currency would now be the main go to?

If you add restrictions on the value of an item, you are indirectly making other items (Plat, or tradeable older items that are no longer dropping in game) more valuable, and more sought after as the 'new currency', which could potentially remove more money from DBG's pockets than the current method, and just hampering down on RMT'ers more.

no thank you. next idea please =)

That was what I thought too, and would be standard accounting practice, but someone said that Daybreak does the accounting on Kronos differently. Either way, kronos that are never redeemed are the best case scenario for Daybreak--whether hoarded on accounts that eventually quit, or banned due to RMT or afk play. Either way, Daybreak has taken someone's money and given nothing (actual subscription time) in return.

You couldn't be more correct.

This is what I've been trying to preach in several of the 'camp' threads still lingering on the front page and why DBG will likely never change them.

This is why krono will never go away.

Let's go one step further...Lets say you off-load your krono for money, why not reinvest those earnings with one of CN's investment companies?

Solution: Stop making your solution. If you cannot live with kronos, nobody is forcing you to stay.

Daybreak recognizes a krono-free environment: P99

I am not saying this with sarcasm.

Not only this, but they also recognize how much $$ it is bringing in: none!

When I grow up I want to be a RMTer.

Solution: VIP guide service for a Krono. Get someone reported investigated and banned immediately for a Krono - you'd double profits overnight.

And the game would be gone in a week.

DO you know how many accounts would be banned if you could ban someone for a krono?

Just to elaborate, no one would still put time into the game if all your time investment could be instantly wiped out with $18 by anyone with a grudge. There would be people sitting on 1000's of kronos that would ban people just for kicks, to watch it all burn.

People trade in Krono for two things, investment for future plat or goods, or to consume. Those who consume Krono only consume what they need. Making a limited trade Krono will not cause them to buy more nor increase demand. It is basically giving Krono a quicker expiration date like fruit. I don't know about you but when I want bananas I only buy what I need for the next three days because it has a short shelf life. But when I buy canned goods I tend to buy more than what I need at the time. Why would making Krono a limited trade item therefore cause people to buy more or raise it's value? Since consumers will only care for the final no-trade Krono it will be worth less than new Krono that still has a trade value thereby driving down the value of the new Krono as demand for that will decrease.

Um, no. When DBG sells a Krono the cash is received quickly (only delayed by timing in banking transactions). They record the revenue from the sale on their income statement and record the liability on their balance sheet which is totally different from cash flows. When a Krono is consumed that liability is eliminated once the 30 day game time has past. DBG does not have to wait until the Krono is consumed to receive the cash from it's sales so people sitting on Krono are not holding cash hostage from DBG.