Is EQ2 putting EQ to night night

Fippyfest I'm thinking if there was a vote what are you more excited for, who did better.
EQ2 would beat EQ.

https://www.everquest2.com/news/eq2-darkpaw-rising-launch
I'm checking out their latest, Darkpaw RISING.


Whoa this is scary this is a game.

Lets look at whats included.
Explore the All-New Dungeon Darkpaw Warrens with over 30+ bosses to experience (Not all at once, we aren’t crazy!)

Darkpaw Warrens? So EQ2 they actually have story things are progressing in EQ2?
Warrens? I thought it was kobolds, darkpaws invaded the Warrens? Oh there is some RPG, some story going on.

Whats EQ doing? Laurion Song, just another alterate reality no real story.

Scaled Solo Darkpaw Warrens Dungeon from 10 to 130 - Including access and gear for Varsoon!

Scaled SOLO???? To how high??? to 130? max level?
Solo????
10 to max level solo?

Say no more

All New Tradeskill Dungeon for level 10+ crafters


Tradeskill DUNGEONS????
I'm a tradeskiller, whoa, say no more.

New Tradeskill Daily Mission

I can't handle this, say no more.

I make posts and posts and posts.
Seems like EQ2 be listening to the posts.

I wish EQ1 would do this.
I wish EQ1 would do this
I wish EQ1 would do this

Whats EQ1 doing?

Laurion Song, aint squat. There is no dance room or anything its just Laurion Song.
https://www.everquest.com/laurions-song
Level cap increase? Boring
New zones? Depends oh its 120-125 Boring.
New raids missions and quests? Boring
New spells abilities? Borrrrrrrrrrrring
New collections? Boring

Compare EQ2 to EQ1.

EQ2 stepping up.
Zarrakon TLE, actual thought.
EQ2 Origins actual thought

EQ2 unlike EQ1 they have to try hard.

EQ should not be saying EQ2 calm down, don't make us look bad. EQ should be saying, we can't let them show us off on our TLPs on our expansions, we need to look within we need to step up.

You know what they say hard work beats talent. In this case EQ talent what the nostalgia the forfathers left for them.

Will EQ be going night night to EQ2 soon? We will find out in the time to come. Ultimately EQ3 will make both games go night night. Both games will be considering what they want their tombstones to say when EQ3 comes about.

No.

Warrens is kobolds. So they have darkpaws, lore/rpg is happening. No to lore/rpg?
https://www.everquest2.com/news/eq2-darkpaw-rising-launch
No to what?
No to
Explore the All-New Dungeon Darkpaw Warrens with over 30+ bosses to experience (Not all at once, we aren’t crazy!)


No to
Scaled Solo Darkpaw Warrens Dungeon from 10 to 130 - Including access and gear for Varsoon!

No to
All New Tradeskill Dungeon for level 10+ crafters

No to
New Tradeskill Daily Mission


No to unique TLPs? Origins, Zarrakon?

EQ2 has had lower numbers from the start which suggests that isn't the case.

EQ2 while is pretty graphically.

Game play sucks.

Class parity bad idea.

EQ is dominate over EQ2 and has been since EQ2 released so no EQ is not going night night.

EQ3 is likely not going to improve on EQ....why??? because the newer generation does not want a difficult game. They even coin a phrase to sell their vision, Quality of Life (QOL) translation how can we make an easy game even easier.

For EQ3 to be successful give us EQ game play with Vanguard graphics.

Exactly my point.

Hard work beats talent, when talent stops working hard.

Whats carrying EQ, is it the expansions or the nostalgia, the TLPs.

What about EQ2, TLPs aren't carrying EQ2, EQ2 has to work hard.

Working hard, hard work beats talent when talent stops working.

Compare these toe to toe
https://www.everquest2.com/news/eq2-darkpaw-rising-launch
https://www.everquest.com/laurions-song

EQ2, you got a leveling issue.
EQ2 says say no more, scaled SOLO dungeons and group dungeons all the to max

EQ1, you got a leveling issue.
EQ1 learn to google, figure it out, we are not working that, that not good of time yada yada
ME, I wish EQ1 would say, you know what you right. 31st expansion be ready for scaled solo all the way to max level, scaled solo dungeon with fun boss mobs to make it fun.
WE know no one is LFG on live, we know, we will do something and if you friends, scaled group dungeons. Not no 85 to max, 1 or 10 to max. We know it takes time to get to 85 itself.

In response to

I responded to the title of your post, and skipped over the rest.

Only time will tell.
I've been taking notice of EQ2 what they doing. They doing big things. They got me to play on Zarrakon going to get me to play Origins, they doing good.

What am I, EQ player. EQ2 is taking away EQ players.
When EQ3 comes around, thats taking from EQ1 EQ2 and other games because its modern, it can fight other games, can compete with other games.

EQ2 is more in position to do battle with other MMORPGs than EQ is. So its a good thing EQ2 is starting to shine.

EQ2 launched before TLP servers and has always had a lower population even when it was brand new.

Dupe

Oh yes that's what we want.... Game play from 1999 and graphics from a 2007 game. Um no.

Yes with that thinking EQ3 is not likely to improve.

1st off,
https://www.everquest2.com/news/eq2-darkpaw-rising-launch
https://www.everquest.com/laurions-song

These are latest expansions.

You trying to bring it back to 2004, and compare. We are talking about the future. What has happened recently.

With constantly back to 2004.
When WoW beat EQ.
Yeah that kind of thinking will do you no good, you constantly thinking about how EQ/EQ2 lost to WoW
You know EQ2 lost to WoW too, because it was too much like EQ. After time went by they realized WoW gamplay is the future so they changed but its too late, and still EQ2 held back by EQ from growth it did not change all the way.

You constantly talk about 2004.

We talking about future of EQ EQ2.
https://www.everquest2.com/news/eq2-darkpaw-rising-launch
https://www.everquest.com/laurions-song

Compare those. Which game is delivering more. Which game is harder.
EQ is delivering bare basics, go look at, new zone, new abilities, new raid bare basic. No RPG/no living story either.
EQ2 is telling story, they bringing in content for everyone solo or groupers, at all levels 10 or 130, for different players tradeskillers too, the game is on better foundation than EQ.

It would be a good thing if EQ2 put to night night.
WoW makes EQ feel/look old.
WoW and EQ2 are equally matched
Modern games make EQ feel very old (can't slide, jump has issues, movement period)

Again this is a future, idk why people are talking about numbers from 2004. Too many still dwelling in the past.

This is today.
Laurion Song a joke
Darkpaw Rising, thats an expansion, thoughtful one.


Lets look at more images.
EQ1, no story, just a potential raid boss in an instance or quest giver, EQ full of instances (not EQ like)


boring

EQ2, storytelling, whats the deal with a dragon outside of a keep, whats the lore, whats going on? This is EQlike


That EQ1 dragon vs this? This is way scarier, I would not like to be locked up with this guy, too scary.

https://eq2.fandom.com/wiki/Baelon_of_Thule_(Advanced_Solo)
Advanced Solo? Ok this is interesting, can solo fight and mobs look this, thats fun.
96▲▲ Tier 10 Solo

So this is about the direction of the game.
Everyone knows EQ had better numbers than EQ2 in 2004, thats part of the work hard beats talent. EQ2 is working hard recently. Whats EQ doing recently? Over time.

Was looking for this cool image,
its on a site with metascores, 2020
https://gamerant.com/mmorpgs-better-than-metascore/

EQ2 is on the top 10,
EQ is not even listed.

So I didn't read but, goes to show how modern MMORPG, modern MMO EQ2 is outperforming EQ according that top 10 list. Rightfully so. They putting in work.
EQ 2 doing this in 2020, 2020 EQ was doing Claws of Veeshan, defiantly an expansion with bad taste, I'd much prefer 2020 EQ to do something like EQ2 is doing than Claws of Veeshan, whats the lore whats the story, some made stuff up, not good. See this see EQ2, this looks like a fun fight. This looks open world too.

EQ2 is a lot more like WoW than it is EQ...it only shares some LORE with EQ.

IF you like EQ2 and that type of game play it.

Vanguard is the only game I have seen since EQ to even come close to competing with EQ.

Vanguard was simply ahead of it's time. the system requirements were way to over the top at release...

I had a machine that ran it well but I was the exception to the rule.

All other MMO games since EQ have catered to a much younger generation. and financially that makes sense.

Does not change that the best of the MMO's to many is still the original EQ.

As someone who played EQ2 at launch but not in the past few years I can say the graphics of EQ2 aged terribly, it doesn't even look good anymore. Also EQ3 would need to look a hell of a lot better than a game from 2007. All other points you are correct.

Hard pass on being forced to spend any time with John Travolta or subjugated to a dancing hall in Everquest.

Hard pass on Noah's Ark too and any biblical incursions in Everquest.

EQ is by far the better game.

I dislike EQ2 graphics much preferring EQ. I also prefer EQs tradeskill and fight/casting mechanics.

I do prefer EQ2s housing., but that is about it.

I think they also have a version of EQplayers, which would be nice to see return back to EQ.

I notice you completly ignore the major flaws EQ2 has and gloss over stuff, yes you can solo the expansion content but its not exactly difficult. Zone mobs die in 1 hit even at max level (only instance and raid mobs are actually a challenge), quests are like kill X of this mob, pick up X of this, turn it in. Talk to this NPC. kill X and congrats, you unlocked the next instance. Rush through that and kill 5 nameds and you are done.

Renown: You need to reach the renown cap before you can start doing group content of the expansion, usually involves needing the best mount and familiar, which come with the pricier expansion and then you need to level them up.

Stat bloat: Its got out of hand, so you can hit for like 123 million and only take like 2% of a mobs hp away in an instance.

What EQ2 does have going for it, its fun in the sense to casually play the expansions and experience the story and the zones, those are amazing in my opinion. I have played casually through all the recent expansions as they get released and have enjoy the story presented.

I started EQ2 again with the new Origin server, got 10 minutes in and went back to EQ remembering why I stopped playing EQ2. EQ and EQ2 are different games and if you like it so much better go play it, stop wasting time here when you could XPing there.

As for the Vanguard comment, give me Vanguard back, with the gameplay as it was day one minus the 344,657,345 bugs lol. Only game I miss.

But alas since that will never happen, here in EQ I will play out my MMO days. Less and less likely I will ever see another game to capture me, even Pantheon is looking less and less appealing.

I know what you mean.
I think with EQ games, playing EQ2 for a bit made me realize this.
EQ1 and EQ2 is full of fluff.
20 or 30+ expansions just fluff fluff.

yes you have 20 to 30+ expansions, not really a good thing, just means you have a lot of bloated content, lore maybe.

Then you have EQ2 is different than EQ1, so is it worth going through the lore in EQ2 then or not? That kind of is a turnoff really.

There is a lot of fluff in EQ1, and a lot of fluff in EQ2. If they say EQ2 is different, confusing, huh. Probably why people just went to WoW, because confused whats going on, storyline lorewise. So EQ1 doesn't matter lore/storywise? EQ2 doesn't matter lore/storywise? Whats going on? A big part of MMORPG is lore/story and if both EQ1/EQ2 its different here its different there, which one is the one to follow. See the issue?

Are you less likely looking Pantheon because of Brad is not leading the charge anymore?
Do you think it was all him with EQ or was he exchanging ideas with someone else. Is there another person.

Usually with great minds they come in pairs.
John Carmack, John Romero.
developer, graphics

Thing with WoW from looking at documentaries, it looks like it was made by EQ dev's, where are those dev's now, still with WoW or they doing their own thing, maybe look at that game.

I'm thinking the best thing for EQ is EQ3, thinking about EQ1/EQ2 lore butting heads with each other.

https://gamerant.com/mmorpgs-better-than-metascore/
to common thinker.

you'd assume EQ2 its newer so you should be following that.

So a reviewer knows nothing, a gamer that knows nothing about Everquest.

Naturally look at it, should I talk about EQ or EQ2?
Lets do EQ2 its newer so assume more play that game.

Does a review,
https://gamerant.com/mmorpgs-better-than-metascore/

EQ2 is on the top 10, EQ is not even listed.

Now lorewise.
EQ or EQ2.

Common sense the newer game is more up to date lorewise.
Actual EQ player, EQ2 has nothing to do with EQ.
They make EQ3, which one lorewise. Whats the deal lorewise.

So going into EQ2 its a good game storywise, like this person says,

EQ2 is easy to get into the story, but having played EQ and knowing EQ2 story might not matter, its kind of a turnoff for an EQ player.

Imagine that turnoff back in 2004. If the same vibe was happening as in EQ2 story has nothing to do with EQ, yet they make an EQ2.
Confusing to playbase back then I would suppose. They probably no clue why there is an EQ2 because EQ1 is still going too. Confused the heck outta them back in 2004.
Then you have a MMORPG that doesn't have any confusion, WoW.

Anyways, just saying the storytelling is GOOD in EQ2. But turnoff is it worth it, there is a lot of it, and its a long grind too, to 130.

I feel like if EQ learned some stuff from EQ2, like the storytelling aspect it would help EQ. EQ2 got stuff EQ1, it would help EQ1. Then both games need stuff from modern games, like meta events.

Why EQ3 is very much needed, finally know the story to continue on.
Some people are very picky it has to be the original author and what not. I guess thats a factor too. Put in the original author stuff and continue from it. EQ3, now you continue from the new author.

EQ2 isn't perfect but playing casually through all expansions. I know this is possible.
EQ1, you see these threads,
https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq...layer-looking-for-advice.298583/#post-4318157
108+ stuck
https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq/index.php?threads/109.298525/page-3#post-4319813
109+ stuck

EQ1, I'm stuck at LS T1 nameds, takes 15+ minutes to beat them, I never beat them I fight them for 10 mins and they at 30% so thinking if I would have stayed lucky another 5 minutes I would kill 1 T1 named, 1 T1 named in months. Thats sad. I've killed 0 since LS launched. Thats sad.

Thats where,

Casually play EQ2 and beat the expansions.

EQ1, ToV? nah I didn't do squat EoK to LS nope didn't do squat too chaotic. Too much effort.
Story/lorewise not worth going into either type of thing too.
Its just hogwash.
2 expansions later that previous stuff never happened or mattered, now we doing something else. Hogwash, fluff lore/story in EQ1 modern day expansions.

So EQ2 I know I'll be to do everything and enjoy it, but is it worth enjoying? Is it worth sinking time into learning the lore/story when EQ1 says it doesn't apply? A lot of stuff/fluff to ingest.

EQ3 I'm waiting on you. I wish they would have finished released what was of EQNext.
EQNext could be in Early Access.

Think about it, if they released EQNext back then, but as Early Access.
Meaning its not finished but you can play it.

Thats a thing recently, a lot of games, Early Access.
They in early access for many many years. EQNext could have done that.

They made/started EQNext because the data showed EQ should have 3rd, they should do the 3rd EQ.

What data was that came up with it, no one knows but them.

Could be, we got to fix this story/lore EQ thing going on, EQ1 lore EQ2 lore people confused which one is the one to follow, EQNext lets make them confused no more, EQNext is the lore to follow! That could be their data/reasoning why they started it.

EQ3 they have the data and it was already done they started on it. They know they need to make a 3rd one, they didn't finish, the data is still have to make the another one.

Just because you do not finish EQ3, doesn't mean the data saying/showing EQ3 should do it, makes total sense. That data does not turn into does not make sense all of a sudden just because they did not finish it. The data the same. Makes total sense to do EQ3.

Tim Sweeney, Tim Sweeney. He is his own god. If you were there for Unreal's launch in 1998 to see what's come to pass 25 years later--incredible. Utter mastery from the very beginning, and every decade thereafter.

But seriously TLDR. Lord help us. The forums should have a character limit on posts.