Instance Raids..Please

For a little perspective, I have attended 342 raids out of 432. That is 90 missed raids. Still get plenty of loot and the best geared druid on the server.

We have 7 active warriors... 3 of which are at 50%+ raids, 2 at 70%+ raids. Our last 5 raids: 61 raiders, 59, 56, 61, 69 (the last 4 being on the weekend when even more people attend than usual). So no zerging, not even a full raid.

It seems as though you speak only from conjecture and rumor instead of experience. Maybe try it before you disregard it.

I'm referring to recent circumstances. Lockjaw is FFA right now. In fact, guilds are up in the air. One already stated that they will revisit when Kunark releases. My guild isn't able to compete with a guild that can be around 24/7. Most of our people are only available during the evening because we don't have the luxury of logging on at work or working from home.

Again, I'm not competing with a guild that can be around 24/7. I won't log on just to sit around.

I'm college educated so it's not hard to understand at all. The point that you're missing is that it doesn't matter how you want to play the game or how I want to play. These servers were created to be non instanced nor rotation enforced. It doesn't matter whether it's 1 guild or 500 guilds competing 1 hour a day or 24 hours a day. The framework for these servers has been set and it's up to us to figure out if we want to play in the sandbox and how.

Luckily there's a new server coming out with the framework that will help out the folks who just want to re-experience the raid content and not compete for it.

I mean, you see my point right? If I went to the new server with instanced raid content and complained that raid content is silly and should be removed, you guys would call me crazy and to .

I admire the fact that you know it's not a grind you want to get into again and you want to play casually. However Ragefire & Lockjaw, and EQ classic for that matter, are not really conducive to your play style if you want to kill dragons. New server coming with the framework you're looking for!

432 raids out of 136 days the server has been out, that's just over 3 raids a day with you attending an average of 2 and a half raids a day. Not saying the raids are very time consuming or anything but.....maybe that's more than he wants to play or has time for?

And I am definitely one for "effort equals reward" but I like to save that for new games that we all are new at, not something that's been done a thousand times. If EQ was new and didn't have all the experience and information out there, I'd be 100% behind what you are saying but those days are gone and no one will be thrilled reading about any guilds killing this content.

If you only add instancing for the new server, then I foresee a population issue for Ragefire and Lockjaw. Maybe, you don't care at all. That's fine. It can be like Fippy and Vulak. I don't know of many guilds that actually enjoy 24/7 FFA raiding. Since rotations aren't respected anymore, it's just a select few that can actually be there at all times. I'm definitely not a fan of this environment. It's happening right now.

Of the guilds that I know, it would be extremely attractive to have all raid targets available to your guild each week. Like really think about this. I really think that it will decimate both servers.

I see your point but I think you missed mine, this whole thing started because you feel there are enough people to support three servers. I can care less if instancing is applied to LJ or RF, only that you have two entire guilds on two servers, mostly 1 guild cause I'm sure FI would enjoy instancing also but will deal without, that are really competing right now. If you really believe that once this new server hits, you will have healthy populations on RF and LJ, then we can agree to disagree but in the end I hope I'm the one that is wrong and we all can get what we want.

I was using my numbers as the top end example. It is an easy way to show that he could easily be a 30% -50% raider and still get to experience everything, get loot, and raid regularly.

I can see Fippy, Vulak, Ragefire, and Lockjaw all sharing low populations. Instancing within classic EQ and beyond is so attractive to returning players. I'm not the only one who returned of my group. We have people who haven't touched this game since 2004 when WoW launched. And you're not listening to a good number of the population. If you prefer a decimated server population, then that's fine.

I am advocating for instancing on Ragefire and Lockjaw. Enforced rotations and timed xpac releases were the sole reasons for my return. Without either of the two, I wouldn't have come back.

I gotcha!

Well the good news is that it has been confirmed that a server is spinning up with instanced raid content. So those who want to stay on Ragefire/Lockjaw can stay and deal with potential population drop without instancing (and a potential for DBG to get involved to merge) and those who want to play on a server with instanced raid content can have their cake too

Good for both play styles!

You'd be in the extreme minority and that is why we'd call you crazy. Of the people posting on these forums with their in game identification only Twisted Legacy seems to want to maintain what we have now on Ragefire. And people seem to be lumping TL with Faceless, but I don't see Faceless members clamoring for LJ to stay uninstanced.

I don't think that DBG wants to maintain three servers. If there is a severe drop with Ragefire and Lockjaw, they might merge the two. Then, you're going to have a very toxic environment for whomever is left. We might have so many on the new server that it needs to be split into a new server. Many of us who were playing WoW and others have been reminiscing about our experiences within classic EQ and beyond. If we have a modern take on EQ, then I guarantee you that it will be popular. The successful spin on these two newer servers was because of the varying xpac releases and enforced rotations (another form of raid instancing). Without these 2 things, you have Fippy and Vulak.

When did you make your character on Ragefire/Lockjaw? Enforced rotations were on the table for a short time period. In fact, there was a lot of complaining that DBG got involved because Ragefire/Lockjaw were advertised as NOT rotation enforced and NOT raid instanced.

So again, please stop coming into my sandbox and trying to change the rules. Your sandbox is being built.

Didn't Lockjaw always promote a rotation? I returned because I found out that this server was more friendly. I was actually able to get someone who would NEVER come back to try this out. I told him that there were fixed raid schedules and a 6 month window between xpac releases.

Ah, forget it. I may or may not return. It depends on what occupies me later. I'm not waiting 3+ months for the new server. I just wish that I haven't invested in this game again. I'm losing 3 level 50 characters this time around. Repeat of my failures on Fippy...

Forum's aren't a great place to decide a server framework change like this. Heck, if you actually counted how many people that posted on the forums that are pro instancing I bet you'd come up with less than 50-100 names which isn't an adequate percentage of the population to base a decision off of. I think what you're seeing is that the folks who really want instancing are very vocal about it and you can find them in nearly every thread.

You can base the percentage of actual guilds who prefer fixed schedules. There is maybe 1 or 2 on Lockjaw that could actually handle FFA. The rest have constraints. And no, I haven't really seen anyone who objected to instancing. We love loadbalances and having loot to our own guilds.

Lockjaw never 'promoted' a rotation. Yes it had/has one but it was just an agreement between the guilds.

What do you think that means? If they have an agreement without enforcement, then they have always collectively agreed or promoted a rotation. Same thing

As I said before - that server is coming for you. Don't come into my sandbox and try to change the rules

Big difference.

If a server 'promoted' a rotation then it would be known and backed by DBG. How else could you promote a rotation if there's no consequences or system for breaking it? There would also be advertisements persay letting new players know to play on Lockjaw if they wanted a rotation.

The rotation that you speak of was just an agreement between the guilds. That agreement no longer exists.