Boon of the Seeress effect on Girdle of the Weaponmaster shows the following restrictions in Lucy: 1: Additional Damage to Spells (500) 2: Limit: Effect (Hitpoints allowed) 3: Limit: Effect (HP when cast allowed) 4: Limit: Mana_Max (0) 5: Limit: Spell Type (Detrimental only) 6: Limit: Combat Skills Not Allowed 7: Limit: Min Level (254) 8: Limit: Instant spells only 9: Limit: ClassPlayer (131070) 10: Limit: Max Casting Time (0.00 sec) Is it any of these that keeps the effect from working on spell procs, or something I can't see? It really doesn't work on spell procs, right?
Why is there a Limit: Min Level (254)? That's pretty strong. I bet it's linked to maxlevel in the raw data on lucy. Look at mana reiterate strike's maxlevel of 105 vs the 254 or 255 on the ripoli proc.
It's so it only works on procs from AA or buffs/weapons (that are specifically flagged as lvl 254 [AA] or 255 [un-usable by PC - weapon Procs and stuff])
[39662] Boon of the Seeress Target: Self Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes Casting: 0s Duration: 2.8h (1650 ticks), Extendable: No, Dispelable: Yes 1: SPA 286 Base1=500 Base2=0 Max=0 Calc=100 --- Increase Spell Damage Bonus by 500 2: SPA 137 Base1=0 Base2=0 Max=0 Calc=100 --- Limit Effect: Current HP 3: SPA 137 Base1=79 Base2=0 Max=0 Calc=100 --- Limit Effect: Current HP Non Repeating 4: SPA 391 Base1=0 Base2=0 Max=0 Calc=100 --- Limit Max Mana Cost: 0 5: SPA 138 Base1=0 Base2=0 Max=0 Calc=100 --- Limit Type: Detrimental 6: SPA 311 Base1=0 Base2=0 Max=0 Calc=100 --- Limit Type: Exclude Combat Skills 7: SPA 142 Base1=254 Base2=0 Max=0 Calc=100 --- Limit Min Level: 254 8: SPA 141 Base1=1 Base2=0 Max=0 Calc=100 --- Limit Max Duration: 0s 9: SPA 411 Base1=131070 Base2=0 Max=0 Calc=100 --- Limit Class: ALL 10: SPA 144 Base1=0 Base2=0 Max=0 Calc=100 --- Limit Max Casting Time: 0s Increases the damage of most weapon procs and some alternate advancement abilities by #1 damage.
M'kay, so if this is working on spell procs (three on good primaries, plus shawl aug & Hedgewizard, range if a raider, plus Mana Re~ & Frostweave given support), has its relative standing changed since procs will all work now? It feels like it must be better than Parogressio at least for wizards, and probably better than Burning Sash of Ro? But I don't have anything firm to back up my feeling, and I'm beyond my experience even forming an expectation with regards Fine Silk Sash.
I think there was a miscommunication here. I'll use quotes to show what I'm saying. Based on this, I am assuming you gleaned that it does work on spell procs. Mine was perhaps more of a guess than a reality, but I haven't seen a post yet that would confirm that it works on spell procs instead of weapon procs. If you're making a big investment in this, I would say to wait until someone can confirm it works on spell procs. Everything I've seen points the other way so far. If my guess is correct, the max level has to be ~254+ for it to work. Here's the lucy for a spell proc: http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=24466 Hedgewizard's brew also has max level of 105, but look up the max level on weapon procs off of melee weapons. Many seem to be high enough to meet the minlevel requirement (some surprisingly don't - look at force of corruption off of Royal Sceptre of Thex for a discrepancy).
Strike of Flames IX , Vampiric Strike IX, etc & et al, melee procs on weapons, all have the same "maxlevel 105" you observe on Hedgewizard The field that shows any difference is, on the above procs: "wizlevel 255" versus 254 on something like Force of Will, the activated nuke AA.
Brohg, I've been trying to find a caster who owns one of these to do some parsing because, as you said, Parogressio just ain't cutting it and Fine Silk Sash is still the best, which is sad... So, any casters have one of these who can do some real parsing for us? Inquiring minds want to know! I've been saving CotF T2 currency to eventually buy one, but as my guild isn't currently doing those raids I don't see this becoming a reality any time soon, and even if (please, please, please) a better caster belt comes out in TBM, I'd still love to know this info.
Took off all gear and buffs(except mana regen stuff). Tried one thing at a time first without then with the belt. Took only non-crited results. adds dmg to: MR aura sanril's sympathetic stone magna fulgia without proc augs boneshards of frozen marrow in a sicarria auctus ancient diamond of spellcharm in a sicarria auctus arcane hymn Fine Silk sash by itself did 976 damage as seen here [Tue Oct 06 12:46:09 2015] Renaii hit Combat Dummy Geza for 976 points of non-melee damage. [Tue Oct 06 12:46:09 2015] Combat Dummy Geza is struck by corruption. MR aura without girdle [Tue Oct 06 10:50:43 2015] Renaii hit Combat Dummy Geza for 4154 points of non-melee damage. [Tue Oct 06 10:50:43 2015] Combat Dummy Geza is enveloped in pulsing energy. MR aura with girdle [Tue Oct 06 10:50:51 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Tue Oct 06 10:50:51 2015] Renaii hit Combat Dummy Geza for 4662 points of non-melee damage. [Tue Oct 06 10:50:51 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. Sanril without girdle [Tue Oct 06 10:56:11 2015] Renaii hit Combat Dummy Geza for 253 points of non-melee damage. [Tue Oct 06 10:56:11 2015] Combat Dummy Geza twitches. Sanril with girdle [Tue Oct 06 10:56:30 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Tue Oct 06 10:56:30 2015] Renaii hit Combat Dummy Geza for 761 points of non-melee damage. [Tue Oct 06 10:56:30 2015] Combat Dummy Geza twitches. magna fulgia weapon proc without girdle [Tue Oct 06 11:34:03 2015] Renaii hit Combat Dummy Geza for 1540 points of non-melee damage. [Tue Oct 06 11:34:03 2015] Combat Dummy Geza is struck by ice. magna fulgia weapon proc with girdle [Tue Oct 06 11:36:51 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Tue Oct 06 11:36:51 2015] Renaii hit Combat Dummy Geza for 2048 points of non-melee damage. [Tue Oct 06 11:36:51 2015] Combat Dummy Geza is struck by ice. boneshards aug without girdle [Tue Oct 06 11:44:10 2015] Renaii hit Combat Dummy Geza for 1078 points of non-melee damage. [Tue Oct 06 11:44:10 2015] Combat Dummy Geza is struck by ice. boneshards aug with girdle [Tue Oct 06 11:50:52 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Tue Oct 06 11:50:52 2015] Renaii hit Combat Dummy Geza for 1586 points of non-melee damage. [Tue Oct 06 11:50:52 2015] Combat Dummy Geza is struck by ice. anient diamond aug without girdle [Tue Oct 06 11:53:49 2015] Renaii hit Combat Dummy Geza for 928 points of non-melee damage. [Tue Oct 06 11:53:49 2015] Combat Dummy Geza is struck by magic. ancient diamond aug with girdle [Tue Oct 06 11:59:46 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Tue Oct 06 11:59:46 2015] Renaii hit Combat Dummy Geza for 1436 points of non-melee damage. [Tue Oct 06 11:59:46 2015] Combat Dummy Geza is struck by magic. arcane hymn without girdle [Tue Oct 06 12:03:19 2015] Renaii hit Combat Dummy Geza for 1223 points of non-melee damage. [Tue Oct 06 12:03:19 2015] The hymn causes a surge of arcane energy within your body. arcane hymn with girdle [Tue Oct 06 12:07:11 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Tue Oct 06 12:07:11 2015] Renaii hit Combat Dummy Geza for 1731 points of non-melee damage. [Tue Oct 06 12:07:16 2015] The hymn causes a surge of arcane energy within your body. frostweave without girdle [Tue Oct 06 12:26:53 2015] Renaii hit Combat Dummy Geza for 3222 points of non-melee damage. [Tue Oct 06 12:26:53 2015] Combat Dummy Geza is frozen by an icy blast. frostweave with girdle [Tue Oct 06 12:28:14 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Tue Oct 06 12:28:14 2015] Renaii hit Combat Dummy Geza for 3730 points of non-melee damage. [Tue Oct 06 12:28:14 2015] Combat Dummy Geza is frozen by an icy blast. ancient hedge without girdle [Tue Oct 06 12:39:58 2015] Renaii hit Combat Dummy Geza for 6517 points of non-melee damage. [Tue Oct 06 12:39:58 2015] Combat Dummy Geza is struck by dark arcane force! ancient hedge with girdle [Tue Oct 06 12:42:13 2015] Renaii hit Combat Dummy Geza for 6525 points of non-melee damage. [Tue Oct 06 12:42:13 2015] Combat Dummy Geza is struck by dark arcane force! 10 min PROC PARSE!!! fine silk sash, sanril in range, magna fulgia with boneshards and ancient diamond, nukes were tears lvl 90, 95, 100, 101 (tear nukes used because they only show 1 - 10 damage the rest is all proc damage) did not use auras or brews. 227 nukes cast /GU Combat Dummy Geza in 602s, 976k @1621sdps --- #1 Renaii 976k@1621sdps (1621dps in 602s) girdle of the weaponmaster, sanril in range, magna fulgia with boneshards and ancient diamond, nukes were tears lvl 90, 95, 100, 101 (tear nukes used because they only show 1 - 10 damage the rest is all proc damage) did not use auras or brews 226 nukes cast /GU Combat Dummy Geza in 603s, 928k @1540sdps --- #1 Renaii 928k@1540sdps (1540dps in 603s) I'll stick with the Fine silk sash...
From its addition to the game until the July 22 patch Girdle of the Weaponsmaster was the best belt for a wizard to use assuming you had the rest of your stuff figured out. After that patch Fine Silk Sash was essentially superior until the September 23 patch then it became more of a gray area. Currently the best solution would require switching between the two depending on active abilities and because no one is going to do that in their right mind for the fractional gain outside of a few settings you can basically say they are a wash in the bigger picture. On any given raid clear, I'll have about 8000 activations or 4M damage as the result of the girdle alone. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. [Sun Oct 04 12:17:00 2015] Your Girdle of the Weaponsmaster feels alive with power. With the ability to exceed 30 hits per second as a wizard, it does activate an awful lot and create some amazing spam as evidenced above. This is fairly easy to compare to Fine Silk Sash procs, especially when you look at it on the large scale. On a similar number of casts if using the FSS I'd have 700 procs. So the easy comparison is that the average proc would need to do approximately 5333 damage to be equal in the long term. It exceeds this on burns especially when using Kerafyrm, but most other times it is significantly weaker and being corruption based does occasionally get resisted.
I'll take the cripple belt any day. Arguing about this is about as useful as arguing that Hint or Spell Damage matter.
Haha... yeah. And it''s just what I did. The differences are (to me) essentially in the noise floor so I am "having fun" playing around with melee ideas on the Mage. I popped my hAGI through the roof and made an audio trigger for dodging (wow .. amazing) and for the first time in 16 years started meleeing this expansion, instead of hiding behind the pet. Pretty fun... whole new perspective for me, and a new paradigm of rules and techniques. I've only played the Mage, except for a brief time in Velius when I tried a rogue and got tired of jockeying for position in a horde of melee. Wouldn't it be interesting, since the AA line has reached an asymptote in terms of real additions to play, if (for example) AAs were introduced which would raise the AC softcap for my silkiness, at the penalty of, say, spell damage or efficacy. Red Mage from Final Fantasy? BATTLE MAGE ! Sounds fun...
