[Feedback] and Request

I am a player on Tormax and I agree with point number 2 raised by Trinost regarding the sleeper. Would be very grateful if this solution could be provided. Thanks.

Raider on Tormax, supporting Trinost's proposal.

You guys don't make a compelling "support" case when you're all in the same guild and the guild motd is: go to forums and support "our" cause lol

People supporting Trinost's post are saying they agree with the rationale therein.

If you do not agree, state why. Feel like I'm getting brain damage in here reading the hollow contrarian pushback.

Tell us all why you would enjoy having this one guild who always awakens the sleeper when velious releases, come to Tormax to do it once again and leave; having stolen the opportunity from new players who've never experienced it before.

EDIT: I have no experience with mercs, but if they are known to reduce actual player interactions. I'd agree, early implementation may be a bad idea. I'm here to play the game with people as often as possible. That said, we already have boxes, so the option to duo trio etc already exists as a paid option. Raids and guild groups are my primary source of real player collab gameplay.

Wanna try that one again? Lol

Because thats not how the game works. Nor how it should work. No one person has a right to dictate how another should/shall play. I shouldn't have to change the way i.play based on your wants.

Do I stop leveling because you want to be the first level 60 on a server and your feelings will be hurt if you're not? Do I ask guilds who race for server firsts to stop racing because I want a server first? No. That's not how it works. It's entitlement and that's not something that should ever be condoned.

I pay my monthly dues, just as does everyone else. If I want to awaken the sleeper, that's my perogative.

Now I've got nothing against the request in itself. But it's a ludacris one an is definitely going to be met with pushback due to its ridiculous nature. But im all.for asking. If you cant handle pushback, don't post on a public forums where there's many people with many views.

I've never experienced waking up the Sleeper. But I'm not about to tell people they're not allowed to do something simply because of my personal wants.

How about pitching the idea for a new TLP that's all about the "catch up" of "special moments" clear up.thrpugh PoP, where the people on that server have no choice but to adhere and are there with the same mindset and goals.

Dictating how others should play (and slamming and using derogatory language towards anyone who doesn't play the way you want to play) based off of selfish desires should not be enforced or backed in any way[/quote]

Before anyone decides to troll me for this post. I was requested to post this here by multiple sources including GM Doex from the daybreak help and Angeliana from the EQ Official discord. Those here that I am reach out to can confirm this with both sources.

It's a legitimate question. Were you told specifically to go Veterans Lounge? Or were you just told to take it to the forums, which has sub categories for appropriate content.

Posting the same vague paragraph doesn't pinpoint nor alleviate the confusion that leads to the question

A lot of speaking in generalities and avoidance of context pertaining to these specific issues. I thought I bullet-pointed them pretty clearly.

1. This is a guild of people who specifically aim to inadvertently steal the experience of awakening from others. This is how they enjoy playing the game, making new characters before it comes out and sniping it. Whether that is acceptable or not, I'd like to hear what you think.

2. No one is proposing that a single subscriber have the authority to determine the administration of a server. Implying that that is what is being discussed is disingenuous at best, malicious at worst. This is a discussion is a weighing of sentiment.

3. Demonstrating that you understand the core of the discussion here by reforming it into several reductionist anecdotes (wanting to be a first 60, controlling which guilds get server firsts) is not constructive, adds nothing to the discussion, and comes off again as possibly malicious.

Personally, I'd like to hear you directly engage with the issues (2) and address them within their clearly stated context, in a literal fashion, without resorting to parallel anecdotes, reduction, and semantical arguments.

No one is coming for you. Looking forward to hearing why exactly you're against these specific proposals and how they would negatively impact your experience.

I posted why. I'll even quote you saying it:

A single person, the OP, is wanting to steal the game.play from others for his own selfish needs. Why should I and others have to be held back in our gameplay because of someone else's selfish desires.

The Sleepers awakening is an expansion feature. It's meant to be awakened. Saying "don't let players who want to awaken it, awaken it" is no different than "we're going to awaken it even when you dont want us to".

The arguments are no different from one another. Two sides of the exact same. Both sides are wanting to do what they want at the expense of others. The OPs tyrannical mentality of "it has to be my way, and anyone else with opposing views be damned" is not an idea I'm willing to support, regardless of which side it comes from.

It's simple, you want a screenshot with the Sleeper? Get there first. It's a first come first serve event. And that's not a bad thing. Not everything requires participation trophies.

"A single person, the OP, is wanting to steal the game.play from others for his own selfish needs."
Hyperbole. OP suggests a countermeasure to mitigate griefing. The exaggerated anecdote--if it helps--is to imagine that there is never another awakening on any TLP that is performed by any guild other than the one in question, which roves from server-to-server, denying players who have set down roots. (Some are saying this may not be an exaggeration, I personally do not know, but I understand the concern.)

His proposal is literally the opposite of selfish, since he's proposing it on behalf of a large group of players. And not just his guild. His proposal allows the other raid guilds that are attempting to grow, a chance. I don't understand why you're so focused on Trinost in particular. Nor do I care, just saying it's coming through strong.

"don't let players who want to awaken it, awaken it"
Ignores all above context. Boring. I am becoming bored.

"The OPs tyrannical mentality of "it has to be my way, and anyone else with opposing views be damned"
Exaggeration. Again ignores the fact that he is offering an entire server the chance to avoid a greifing guild.

"It's simple, you want a screenshot with the Sleeper? Get there first."
The point is you wont. Because a roving band of people with no long term investment on the server, and specifically malicious intentions, is going to come train your fight, and open trades with your healers, then take the kill.

"Not everything requires participation trophies."
Lol what are we talking about again? Mask off right here. Cheers dude.

OP is the typical Tormax poster flaunts their fake morality, while adding in numerous insults.

Nice TLP drama, though it made me laugh.

Let me break that sentence down for you.

A single person? Not really. The majority, if not all or close to it, of the people playing on Tormax from the start.

And what gameplay is that? Logging into a server for 2 weeks to awaken the sleeper and then leave it again? It's the bane of modern times. Go to the new thing, consume it asap and then drop it into the trash. I believe the intention Daybreak had with creating these TLP servers was with some longevity in mind; to let people experience EQ and the things they missed in the past because of various circumstances.

Tell me what's more selfish? The point the OP is describing, i.e. allowing everyone on the server to experience pre-awakening times for an entire expansion and then awaken if so desired by the server. Or to advocate that just for your personal desire, your personal sense of accomplishment or bragging rights .. for whatever they are really honestly worth ... to take that experience away.

People have the right to their personal opinions. And you certainly have the right to voice yours. But I don't think you should be so quick as to claim the high ground on this one.

It's not. He's wanting to deny other players their playstyle for his preferred playstyle. It's not griefing when you do the event the way it's designed to work. Someone else doing what you wanted to do is not griefing.

The counter measure is, as I said, get there first. As the only raiding and holding the largest portion of the playerbase, this should be easy for the guild to do.

And his request is selfish. He's placing his wants and needs over someone else's.

It's not ignoring any context. It's an event in the game. They want to be the one to.trigger it as much as possible. Like everything else in game, it's a race of first come first serve. Your only response is deflection though. I can feign boredom when I have no rebuttal too.

It's not. He even describes guilds not like his "hardcore degenerative guilds" in his OP. And again, he flexes having the majority of the population of the server in his guild. Should be a cakewalk to overtake the "griefing guild".

You easily can. You can get there and get your screenshot. That's what hes asking for. Get there, get your SS, let the other guild get their kill, go about your way. And there should be nothing left to train you if you get there first. And boasting the majority of the server in your guild, form multiple raids to take the thing down. It's still a DPS race. Have outside groups. Use your numbers to your advantage. There's multiple ways to circumvent these scenarios you're making up.

Holding everyone's hand and putting off the sleeper event for 7 weeks so "everyone can feel like a winner". Unable to keep up with the conversation because you're so wrapped up in make believe scenarios?

Not exactly what he is saying but it could be perceived as such. What he is asking for is a way to keep the sleeper sleeping even if someone activates the awakening.

1. Have it sleeping until Velious is behind us
2. Have a DZ so a raid can choose which version to DZ into

I support option #2 here.

This. Is why I would support the DZ option to choose which to go into. Leave the OW aspect of the sleeper as it should be. The game is too old to worry about "firsts" anymore so there is no logical point to close off the pre-awaken stuff permanently these days.

While I do agree that it is the same argument for different sides, a compromise could be made in the line of DZ choices. So those that want to wake the sleeper can still do so, and those that don't want to wake the sleeper still has the pre-awaken choice.

Name-calling. Not really necessary in the context. Trinost is a great person, while I disagree with the so called violations of the rules and play nice policy, he does have a reason to make this post to find a way that more can experience the zone with the sleeper still asleep.

Though he did take a couple jabs at me after a direct quote a couple times.

and the outright lie he stated on a later reply, either he lied about someone he spoke to, or who he spoke to lied to him.

Telling me I do not belong on Tormax was kinda hurtful, considering.

"Longevity" as the content lasts 15% of its original time. TLPs are a blast from the past. That's it. A blast. The Sleeper isn't meant to last the duration of the expansion in its sleeping state...never was.

Ummm...definitely what the OP is describing is more selfish. Asking for no contention so he can get what he wants. The other guild or.group of individuals whatever you want to call them, isn't going around asking the devs to make.it so only they can awaken it. They're not telling other people to not play until they've gotten what they want out of the way, but the OP is.

As for.the accomplishment and bragging rights that youre claiming isnt worth anything...isn't that the whole reason you're wanting this to get pushed through is for your own personal accomplishment of bragging rights of "oh em gee I finally got to do/see this when I never had before" ??

Pot meet kettle lol another reason I don't support this. "It's not being selfish. It's just my wants and needs above those of others"

And im not claiming the high ground. I'm just calling it as I see if. Your selfish desires make you blind to the fact you're no different than the guild you're trying to stop, all based on selfish desires.

Simple fact is: you're all given the same content at the same time. And the raiding guild on Tormax, as per OPs boasts, should have a leg up in this race. No need to go beg the devs to stop other players from being able to play the game

I could personally see the DZ option working as well.

While I'm not against the DZ option myself, isn't there "events" (brain fog for the correct word) that happens when you awaken the Sleeper? Doesnt he go on a rampage? Wouldn't that have some effect on the DZ and the OW overlap?

No, only the OW version has an effect on Velious, You can clear everything and wake Sleeper in the DZ it would not change anything in Velious as only the OW version would have that impact. But yes, waking the sleeper would change a few things in other zones, namely OW Sleeper's Tomb (Kerafyrm's Lair) and Skyshrine. With the changes to Skyshrine just adding 4 raid targets before Yelinak with all else pretty much the same. Which is why I would support a DZ option to be able to choose which one to go to and the OW being the way it was intended for the event.

I am speaking for myself here but ummm no .. I don't care if I am the one awakening sleeper. I'd be happy to give you a call to do the awakening at the end of the expansion or whatever is called a reasonable time. Like you know, having pre-nerf guise of deceiver in game a certain number of weeks etc.
It's about experiencing the pre-awaken state. That's it. Who cares about server first? That was fun when we were kids. Time has moved on. People got families and actual jobs to take care of.

No one is talking about the

Honestly, you're just saying the same thing over and over repeatedly ignoring contextual details that myself and others have spelled out for you in painstaking detail. It's not the flex you think it is.