EQ can learn a thing or two from HeroWars

A couple things here for EQ to learn from it.
1. Storyline, story via gameplay, there is no text there is no hail the NPC 1/9 times to learn about whats going on in this quest.
Storyline via gamplay, it happens other but HeroWars does it well its a good game to review in this regard.
It's like Super Mario, there is no text, and you know enough that if someone asked you whats the story with Super Mario whats going on? Samething with HeroWars they probably learned from SuperMario.
2. Hook, knowing your market, 4:30 of that video. People be looking for that game, its a simple game, eye candy too. Eye candy, good game has eye candy, look at classic EQ, kunark, velious.
3. Simple design, just do math, watching someone else lose and its a simple thing they could have done, makes other people want to get it and achieve it, beat it.
4. cinematics even if its like 5 second preview or 10 second. basically the intro, every HeroWars has a little intro, quick to set the story. For EQ, major questline 5 second cinematic or 10 second set the vibe. Its not like you have a 10 min cinematic talking 5-10 seconds, not hard to do.

Main thing is storyline,its one of those games where it has something you can talk about it via gameplay, story via playing the game, super mario, you really don't know whats going on but the more you play the more you get idea whats going on, like classic DoD. EQ really needs to do this. EQ right is just goto some quest kill stuff and do another quest there is no NPCs or things within the quest, where you see it and it builds up the story. Just running killing stuff is not building up anything especially its copypasta npc models and no uniqueness in the npc models and what not.
Thinking more about this, GoD expansion they tried somewhat, NPC models changed and the final boss in those zones gradually changed in design, but modern day EQ, don't really see this. Thats just part of the story its more, like objects and what not too, allies, friendly NPCs you save and meet that doesn't happen in EQ.
No point in talking about back then 2006 EQ, the issue is modern day EQ, the past of decade of EQ. Looking back at and saying classic EQ did it, yeah they did and EQ was thriving, todays EQ is not thriving need to look at how todays EQ can be better, as in the expansions coming, past decade of expansions.

Part of it is NPC some voice acting to it.
If EQ cannot do voice acting in some NPCs like quest at least, due to reasons like code is too old, doesn't support voice acting NPCs thats a huge blow, its pretty much every MMORPG has some voice acting in NPCs.

It really compliments the story vibe of the game. Even if people skip the voice dialogue if its just 1 or 2 words they hear, skip, hear 2 words skip, you can get a gist some vibe from that.

If you are skipping text, you aint reading anything, you press a button while distracted, you can hear while distracted but if your not paying attention you really can't read while distracted as in you don't want to read.

Need the hook too, EQ vibes, the candy, classic. EQ was an eye candy back then. Most of the playerbase, they are players from back then, you have to think why did they buy EQ.
WoW vs EQ which one has more eye candy. Thats one reason why they bought EQ.

Frankly, HeroWars people still waiting still looking for developers to develop that game they see in the ads.
Daybreak looking for mobile game that has potential to explode.

Well people been waiting for someone to step up and make HeroWars, maybe the people that do the ads they do them because they can't make that and but they want to show their vision of a game that they want. And frankly its been years HeroWars ads been around years, a lot of people still interested.

So mobile game, which to do next, might want to consider HeroWars like game.

Overseer, I'd enjoy Overseer if it was like HeroWars.
I enjoyed LoN card game.
minigames make an impact in videogames. EQ frankly many minigames.
Modern day MMORPGs they have minigames, they pvp, multiple versions of pvp, they got multiple movement like things sliding gliding rolling, riding mounts mounts do more than just run faster. they can jump fly etc.

EQ can learn a lot from HeroWars, need to start implementing things like HeroWars.
EQ used to be good with audio, zone music and what not, combat music.
THATS OLD, thats decades ago, what have they done now, within the past decade being generous to their time. Past decade what have they done.

Frankly, https://www.daybreakgames.com/home
if you look daybreak games, HeroWars is a game that would fit in the categories they do.
Lord of the Rings Online, Dungeons and Dragons,Magic the Gathering, EQ, EQ2. HeroWars what is it? same genre as those games.

If you ask me out of all those games which one is trending today out of those games mentioned, HeroWars its just an ad and I think it trends higher then all of those games. Daybreak games getting whooped by an ad. Sad.
Thats why they can learn a thing or two, its simple concept draws in people. Basics you do the best of the basics, eye candy, audio, story via gameplay, just enough of each and it works wonders in terms of drawing interest, trending, people going out of their way to find the game.

Time is now, time to step up is now. I'd look at HeroWars and study it and make 31st expansion from ideas of studying HeroWars.

Stay in school kids, this here is a cautionary tale

TLDR.

Hero Wars came out in 2016.

The only takeaway here is that Hero Wars definitely learned a thing or two from Everquest since it was released in 1999.

EQ is an old game. A lot of us have been playing for a couple of decades. We like EQ as it is, we don't want EQ to be morphed into another game. I'm happy there is new content every year with EQ. It just doesn't need to be changed into a trendy new game. I'm not trendy or new. I'm not a gamer, I play EQ because I enjoy it. It's the only game I play.

Looking at the video of Hero Wars, if EQ was like that. (I did look at a few Youtube videos of actual gameplay) I would've stopped playing very quickly. I've never been interested in that type of game.

Let's keep the garbage mobile game BS out of EQ and vice versa.

You don't get the point.
You kind of out of the loop too.


Actually you know I was going to say something else looking for videos to show why you wrong, but something else came to mind.

Basically Overseer, can turn into this.

Since EverQuest I mean that was a long ago, I mean current day game EverRaid.
Outside of your raids you can do raiding in Overseer, more raiding for you, thats a win right? You like more raids?

Do raids in Overseer.
Overseer is basically a mobile game.
Overseer = Agents, HeroWars = Heroes samething, just a different name

give you visual representation and you can watch it for explanation.
NOTICE 727K views

whats the video on?
727K views

what is the top comment?

@rommy215
4 years ago
The ad looks like more fun then the actual game
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What was I talking about in the OP?
1. Storyline
2. Hook
3. Simple design
4. cinematics

is that in the game or in the ads? now you know what is going on. The mobile game stuff is about Daybreak https://www.daybreakgames.com/home
If they working on some mobile, do Hero Wars.
727K
1M in the other video
thats trending, stop the the mobile you working on, it aint killing it, EverHeroWar

No I haven't HeroWars, oh you made the game, its about time.
727K waiting
1M waiting
why has a developer not done it?
Thats just people going outta there way to look for it. if say only 10% people go outta there way, thats 9M interested but did not outta there way.
Thats 10M easy.

All you did was create images and people click on things simple design, 10M easy.
What they doing, something complex and it's a bust?
SIMPLE

you know what KISS stands for???

So basically 3 things,
Overseer can be better.
Daybreak if they looking a mobile to pursue, HeroWars, people waiting for it, the ads gameplay not the game gameplay
like, Angry Birds simple KISS, very popular
3rd. EQ
it can learn a thing or two to make the game better by watching/ digesting HeroWars ads.
1. Storyline
2. Hook
3. Simple design
4. cinematics

EQ has no story going.
You bring up the story window its what, back in 2007 and it stopped.
The expansions, ToV/CoV, how did we get into ToL? Nos. How did we get into LS.
completely outta the blue no buildup.
33rd expansion outta the blue.

learn about storylines, living stories.
Its no wonder why https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq...ore-feedback-we-need-your-help.272867/page-15
no one talks about it.

All the lore its like early day EQ.

Theres no lore people talking about about 22nd expansion 18th expansion.
Those where is it randomizers, they on old EQ.
what happened to the other 20 expansions?

No story. Thats what happened.
You don't have those OG's from back then carrying the game.
Have to digest and learn, what others doing.
Do homework

HeroWars is the place I'd start.

Hero Wars.
This is the game that has ads oversexualizing women or making them seem helpless and in need of a hero. It is 2024, time to get over these stereotypes.

Like I been saying.

Other games are more EQ than EQ is EQ. Current day EQ is not questing its raiding, ER.
Hero Wars 10M players.
possibly the 10M players EQ would have if EQ stayed EQ.

Let me show you an image of Hero Wars.


Oops, thats EQ, thats when EQ was THRIVING too. Good times.
EQ in its glory days. EQ being EQ.

Super Mario is what? Zelda is what? Save the princess, you have purpose.
Storyline is what?
Basically you save the princess.
Hero Wars is what?
Save the princess.

What is Firiona Vie.

Go let them know in this, https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq...ore-feedback-we-need-your-help.272867/page-15

Whats crazy is, that graphics. It's doable in a video game today. EQ3 just saying. The EQ community I'm sure they want the next EQ to be on par with the box art from back in the days.

See this.
I know what your thinking, is this a clip from back then or this the game?
Its called Showcase in case you get the game and looking for this. Transitions lifelike to ingame.

Yeah excatly, thats why I expect EQ3 to be on par with the box art. It is doable its already been done.
Expectations for EQ3 is HIGH, not low like the previous 10 expansions, an inch off the ground expectations, nah EQ3, my expectations are HIGH. Like wemby holding the ball straight up, and you gotta grab, yeah jump higher, improvise, get it, thats how high expectations are.

Its EQ3, EQ is everyones game they waiting for the next EQ. Everyone expectation is HIGH. They did a lot of talk back then a lot of talk in EQNext, its about time when?

Its like GTA6. Expectations are HIGH.

btw, that WWE trailer, they learned from Hero Wars. Because that sure aint how the game is, but the ad is WAYYYY better.

Quite frankly VR AR, waiting. waiting waiting. Remember those EQ AR/VR videos with unreal engine, EQ3, do it. AR/VR do it.
Its 2024, we waiting NEXT GEN. EQ3 set the tone for next gen. Quit pointing fingers, "no one else did it yet" then they do it and you still make excuses. STEP UP.
EQ STEP UP.

Firiona Vie wasn't some sweet looking helpless princess that needs to be saved. FV was brutal and would cast a skin melting spell or stab you in the face with her sword. Or her followers she rules over would delete you. She would do the saving, not you.

Firiona Vie was more like Lagertha from the show Vikings.

Hero Wars could learn a thing or two from Vikings.

Enlighten me. Do it in 250 or fewer characters .

Yes, and I wish you would apply it to your posts.

I mean, have you seen the game art in eq over the years? That ultra protective "female armor"? All of them with the "come get me baby" pouty face? Huge tracks of land? Females all in need of rescue by big tough male adventurers?

Yeah its a different vision change.
You look elves armor now compare it to today.

Its not really impressive, for one thing the style was better.
Today its just heavy armor. It is not EQ EQ like armor.

Hero wars, its the do things other than killing stuff. This game is so simple, every MMORPG has more than EQ.
EQ is just, kill stuff, raid. Thats it.

How about racing, how about flying how about sliding, how about cinematics, how about combos, how about breakbars, and on and on and on.

EQ raids are joke, other games nonraid content there is more too it, more enjoyable, you can beat it too.

EQ can learn many things from Hero Wars you all just mention one thing, there is many going on with HeroWars.
Marketing aspect. Knowing your market wants. Basically a good marketing person. Then good game designer or animation designer, they know what people want. They DO what people want. A good story, the feeling of, I CAN DO IT, LET ME DO IT. click on a number, ooh its too high failed. open the right key for the riddle, oooh wrong one, failed. I CAN DO IT. How do I install this game!!?!

EQ's problem is.
I miss EQ.
EQ was my favorite
I would but, last time I played I was lvl 60, way too far behind.
Oh there is a heroic thingy to 115? Don't tempt me. Still doesn't download. (thats not the issue)

Look at Hero Wars, they get people install, that is EQ's issue. Then the next issue is KEEPING players. Thats nonraid stuff, they don't just already in a guild day 1. Already looking for a guild day 1. Already joining guild day 1.

They aint in a guild. So you have to consider they have no friends, how do you keep those players playing so they eventually JOIN a guild. Takes time to JOIN a guild. NO ONE LFG. Even when expansions is brand new day 1, STILL no one LFG. Brand new expansion no one LFG. Thats sad.
1. How do you get someone to install
2. How do you keep someone who is not in a guild, last played like 60 or brand new, not in a guild, no friends, no one is LFG, they used a heroic, so now they 100 something clueless, 100 something content is heavy group content. So they likely to die.
How do you keep those people playing.

No one plays EQ, and immediately I gotta find a guild.
Even in other MMORPGs its not, I gotta find real quick, day 1.
WRONG.

Those people telling you stuff, they telling you like picture perfect situation like what a CURRENT player would do. Not the mindset of complete clueless.

I'm back. I remember people LFG in EQ, no one LFG? Where is everyone. Zones are completely empty. This is not what I remember.


No one installs. All talk. And this is on EQ, not those players. Likely they installed at one time in the past decade and learned real quick, this game is difficult for nonraiders/returners. You gotta be boxing. You gotta spend a lot of effort into trying to make it fun and the game still not fun because no one around, you have to put so much effort everyday. Hence they learned real quick, they still like EQ, but they know better to install EQ.

Difference HeroWars and EQ.
HeroWars is not much effort, simple stuff. Of course 5 beats 3, of course I know 5 would lose to 9999. That kind of game is simple if it existed. People don't want to be stressed to be pressured everytime they login into EQ as a nonraider a returner.

There is a LACK of nonstress things to do for a nonraider. Thats one BIG thing EQ can learn from HeroWars.

quite the opposite, I'm happy that today there is more equality. Female characters don't exist purely as a sek object to be lusted after. Its rather degrading.

Uber, clearly you like to write and analyze things. Just think if you abandoned, or vastly downgraded the amount of time you spend playing or writing about Everquest, you could put all that energy into something productive. Escape, dude. Change the real world, or put a dent in it at least. Make money, live your dreams.

Seems more like a "come watch me on youtube" then a post worth investing time into. But some great comments.

No. We are not watching Star Wars Episode 1: Phantom Menace.

This is not Mario Kart or Hero Wars.

We are playing Everquest.

I am not sure how it happened, but my browser was getting spammed by HW ads, that is more than enough reason to avoid it like a plague.

Do you see any EQ ads?

EQ can learn a thing or two from Hero Wars.

Do people play Hero Wars, do people buy Hero Wars. How the heck they got so many ads? Where the heck they getting their money. How the heck do they get NEW ads, creative and NEW ads?

One thing I'll tell you straight up.
Hero Wars is LOOSELY couple code.
DRY

EQ, "oh, we cannot allow you to be a beastlord until LUCLIN OPENS, MUST HAVE LUCLIN to be opened"
"oh we cannot allow you to be drakkin, until TSS opens, MUST HAVE TSS expansion unlocked to even drakkin"
"Must have Luclin open to use mounts"

Not loosely coupled code.

You watch the hero ads, they start with a new hook, tons of new hooks, and then they add the stage you seen after watching many of those ads. They can easily mix and match. Loosely coupled.

FV was an elf I believe so I think Galadriel from LOTR would be a better example of what she would be.