Enforced Raid Rotations Come to an End

You want to see "End Game" content, without being an "End Game" Capable guild. Period, stop sugar coating it and talking about "Keeping the server healthy". There were only two guilds that got the majority of content on Fippy, and without the Sony Hack, or GoD failing 4 times, would have maintained a large raiding force well into the future. Even during DoDH, there were still 4 guilds doing content(3 of which Finished the expansion).

How many of your active raiders are level 60? Unless you say 100% at this point, then you have no claim to be doing "End Game" content, period. Apokalypsis wiped to Venril Sathir with 50+ People. VS is easier than literally any mob in current raiding, unless you count Phinny I guess. Complain when you can actually do the content, until then, you're just trying to stir up sympathy, which isn't working considering Apok is the reason rotations are no longer a thing.

and just so you can't say i ninja edited anything out.

VS is easier than any raiding content, on the servers, currently. That includes classic.

Venril Sathir is actually a very poor example as we have several VS kills. The fact of the matter is Darkwind, Rosengard Guild, False Prophecy, Ceaseless, The Last Guardian, and many others could clear Veeshan's Peak if they were given unfettered access. They are End Game (if game = PvE) capable, what they're not capable of is competing with Twisted Legacy (either in game or politicking on the forums).

Yet the server basically voted (through their actions) to let TL do their thing for the first couple weeks of kunark.

Patience finally won a round, but I'm sure some people see it as being "scared of TL's skill".

This assessment of who could clear VP brought to you by the guild that can't kill Gorenaire. I mean really, we watched for several nights as you wiped over and over with unfettered access.

Do you believe Rosengard to be incapable of clearing Veeshan Peak if there were given access to it? During their Prime Time? With a scheduled raid? You can attack my guild if you wish (We have had trouble with Gorenaire - it isn't a secret) but that doesn't address the content of my post.

All of the guilds I listed could field a raid capable of defeating content in this expansion if they could schedule a raid. I purposefully did not include my guild in that list in an attempt to dissuade people from attacking my guild and encourage them to stick to the topic at hand.

Five or six, depending on whether you count aim to misbehave which split off right at the end of DoDH but didn't do any DPoB until after PoR launched. Citizen, Twisted Legion, Darkblood, Theory of Everything, and Rosengard all had DPoB kills in era. Darkblood also just missed clearing DPoB in era--they had beaten everything but Mayong, and took him down about a week after PoR launched.

You spit out a laundry list of guilds you believe to be capable when the reality is that the list doesn't really extend beyond (hypothetically) 2 at this point. If we are to believe you are even the 3rd? strongest guild and you can't kill Gore, you really don't need to be telling people how certain you are that everyone could clear VP.

I don't need anyone to believe me, the players in those guilds probably have a fairly good idea for themselves. But with the attacks on my guild we're getting further and further away from the original point. You can't just "join a guild capable of defeating PvE content" to see all the content Kunark has to offer, you have to join Twisted Legacy. And when servers got over populated in 1999 and 2000 they opened new servers to make room for more players and guilds at the top.

Unfortunately, that is exactly what we're getting from Daybreak, a new server. Anyone's guess is as good as mine as to what the Nobox server will do to our population. I hope nothing, but I'm worried it's going to be significant. If instead of a new server we got instancing then it would function similar to multiple servers that simply auto merge as the population dwindles (which will happen over time regardless). It is unlikely that Ragefire, Lockjaw, or the Nobox server will ever been at a similar point in progression to allow for a future merging. Each server will have to stand on it's own in terms of population (Ragefire is at least lucky to be able to receive one way xfers from Lockjaw).

I don't view it as unfortunate that a subset of the game population that wants purely instanced content from the start will get it, regardless of impact on RFs population. If it stops, or at least moves the whining over to that server, I consider that more than a fair tradeoff for any population adjustment.

I think it's funny that you're arguing what an end game capable guild is, when your guild is the entire reason that kunark was not only ffa, but that the rotations ultimately came to the end. Which effectively ruined your guild.

If you would have just taken what was given to you, you would probably be a lot better off.

The point is, Rosengard is an end-game guild, they're unfortunately(Or fortunately depending on who you ask) limited to their raid times. They've contested, and beat us for mobs before. Also note, Aegir, the raid leader for Rosengard has publicly stated that RG has no issue, and are in the process of getting better to beat us.

Apok isn't an end-game guild at this point, nor is Darkwind, nor is RoP. They're raid capable yes, but every mob in VP is harder than Gore. If you can't beat Gore, then how can you say you're capable of clearing VP? When you're capable of claiming to be an end-game guild, then come back and cry about how the end-game is being played. Currently, the only two guilds with a claim to being end-game, have no issue with the way that end-game content is working.

Also, VS is a perfect example of why you're not end-game. You may have several kills, congratulations. You couldn't kill with 50+ people, the easiest raid encounter on TLPs currently. I know for a fact that isn't your first wipe either. You're not an end-game guild, its ok, there will always be different tiers of raiding man. Stop trying to push Apok into the End-Game portion when you're middle of the pack, at best.

Right, the point is the tiers are created by other players, not the difficulty of the content.

The content is creating the tiers. You're wiping to the easiest content available. You're having multiple wipes to different mobs. Do you think RG wipes like that? Do you think TL does?

That is what separates guilds. To claim you would make it through VP, if you can't beat Gore, is just bravado. Don't worry, Velious will eventually be here, and there is plenty of content to go around.

Ok, well I didn't include my guild in the list, but you keep wanting to talk about it instead of the topic at hand. Fortunately you understand that Rosengard Guard is at least capable. Yet they're not in VP, and they won't be during Kunark. It isn't the content keeping Rosengard out of VP, it's you. And this isn't Twisted Legacy's problem, it's Daybreaks.

Rosengard's raid officer clearly stated before, they decided to stand back after their first kill, because they did contest and realized that they needed more levels(Note: You have to be level 60 to raid in TL). I'm pretty sure RG just had their first real contest of Trak with us, but he didn't spawn within their raid time. That is EverQuest. I have no doubt they could have possibly beaten us if he had spawned 2 hours earlier than he did.

Nope, hell, i rarely raid on Ragefire at this point. Citizen recently made a decent recruiting pitch to me though.

Are you even a halfling anymore? I never see you in Rivervale

Its because im always in Seb. Trak isn't going to kill himself.

But really, I'm human again. The one and true master race in Norrath.