In Fanra's defense, he initially said Charisma did affect certain spells. Dandin said it did not. Fanra, in posts #7 and #11, shows actual patch notes/game notes and SOE developer comments highlighting Fanra's beliefs. Dandin then proceeds to say Fanra is wrong but with no facts or links- just a Dandin is right/Fanra is wrong discussion. It was only until post #17 that Dandin actually linked patch notes/SOE developer comments supporting Dandin's beliefs. If Dandin would have posted this to Fanra in post #5 or whatever it probably would have saved many of us from having to read this back and forth bickering.