Thank you for explaining how my class is supposed to be played. Perhaps you will listen to an alternate view point. My job is crowd control. When you start making statements like "we use rangers to root and WG/MM/HA to bring them in" or when the state of the game is that rangers and shadow knights are the go to crowd control class because of the proliferation of anti mez or mez immune abilities, that is an affront to my class. My job on WK1 ( to use your example ) was to wade into a mass of mobs and start firing color stun and pbae mez ( for the handful of non immune mobs ). My job in this situation is to save the knights and warriors from a few hits because they likely can't survive getting beat on by 3-5 mobs. It is entirely probable that I am going to get some agro from doing this. Patch before last, it was 50/50 on whether I would die depending on how many mobs got ticked off at me. Post the previous patch ( runes upgraded ), it was more like 30/70 die/live. Now, if I pull agro from doing my job, I am going to die while I watch the recast timer. My choices are suck up the deaths or be less active. Neither is an appealing choice as both having me largely watching from the side lines. I think in the group game, we can largely do most things we did before ( we still have to choose our targets wisely ) and the .5 cast time is a slight upgrade for "oh no" moments. In the raid game, we are facing more hurdles in a place where we already had plenty of hurdles. I went through and rated the raids from VoA->CotF as "mez required", "mez useful", "mez not useful", and "no mez allowed" and came up with 7 "mez useful" 2 "mez required", and 24 raids in the latter two categories. I am still waiting for the raids that remove other classes primary abilities, but have yet to see them. Are we useful? Sure, we have utility. But almost no one started an enchanter to be the adps guy. People play fantasy games to be a hero, not support. Do I believe people are being a bit hysterical, especially in the group game, regarding this change? Yea, but I also see where they are coming from. Despite what you think, my class was always on the front line. That's why we got fast cast self runes back in Planes of Power, because we were likely to pull agro just doing our job. Making my job more difficult in the few areas it is still viable doesn't sit that well with us.