Dont like 2022 TLPs? What do you want in 2023?

Discussion in 'Time Locked Progression Servers' started by KRYGZ, Apr 28, 2022.

  1. Skuz I am become Wrath, the Destroyer of Worlds.

    No, these were never ladder servers like the concept I referred to.
  2. Skuz I am become Wrath, the Destroyer of Worlds.

    The obstacle to doing it is 100% ideological where those classes are conceptually believed to be "expansion content" by the dev team.
    I have tried to find the relevant posts but they are so buried by now I have this far been unable to coax them out of either google or the forum search tool. Devs have basically said this is why they wont do it, and that;s why I have argued against that stance specifically.

    I do not think or say that the process of disconnecting these two classes from their expansions is easy, certainly it involves time, a resource the team always have to manage.
    But it is far from the manned voyage to mars level of difficulty some portray it to be.
    It can be done, that should not be disputed.

    Its all about the why they do not want to.
  3. Aenoan Augur

    No true but the unlock speeds were basically up to the players with only a default "pause" in between each expansion but we could take a month or a day to unlock an expansion especially the early content. I think pop took IV about a week iirc with flagging. But the unlock was bugged at the end.

    But in a loose sense like d3/d2/poe ladders or seasons. In that aspect I think S/C TLPs were a lot like that now its more seasonal-esque for sure.
  4. TheAgenda Augur

  5. Haak Augur

    I'm curious how a TSS start would fare. I imagine those who experienced that content view it favorably, while recyclers who leave after PoP have no interest. As a recycler myself, I find nothing attractive about the content between GoD and current live. I logically know there's likely been some interesting expansions, and that if I gave it a try I may be pleasantly surprised. Despite that, I probably wouldn't even sub for something I don't have a nostalgic tether to. I wonder if I'm in the minority, and if a TSS start would thrive, or if the reason we don't see TLPs begin that late is because the devs fear the support isn't there.
  6. c313 Augur

    Red and Blue server.

    Traditional TLP, one being PvP and the other being PvE. Exp adjustments for the PvP
  7. TheAgenda Augur

    Understandable. It's very common for people to not want to leave their comfort zones and to fear what they aren't familiar with. That's why the average person never leaves their hometown.
  8. Massimo_Bertoxx Augur

    "Ideological" lol

    Ideologies are subjective standpoints based on belief. It is an objective fact that some races and classes entered the game as DLC content. It ceased to be "conceptual" when it was implemented at the time. It is simple reality that most of the game, after two decades, is DLC content and undeniably tied to the DLC timeline.

    They don't start the game with classic and include Vah Shir and berserkers because it there is no reason to do so. Any more than epics being available before kunark, AA to be available before luclin, or any other arbitrary wish people manage to mentally rub out.

    One day you remove corpse runs and, after enough years of koolade getting passed around about that, people delude themselves into thinking absolutely any arbitrary change that occurs to them isn't just acceptable, but that simple objective fact and logic contrary to it is "ideological."

    These forums get more hysterical every year.
  9. Volas Lorekeeper

    How about "None."

    Get off the same stupid 5 zones over and over again every year. Stop waiting for DPG to hand your hamster brains another wheel to run around.

    Just stop.
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  10. TheAgenda Augur

    But muh member berries!
  11. Massimo_Bertoxx Augur

    More like muh annual cash cow.

    I'd bet the bag sales going into TLP every year, alone, rival the subscription revenue from live for the whole year. If TLPs weren't highly profitable, you wouldn't see them every year.
  12. TheAgenda Augur

    Ad populum fallacy. McDonalds is a “restaurant”patronized by enough people to make it a multi-billion dollar industry. Just because a lot of people like it and spend money on it doesn’t mean that the food isn’t trash
  13. Massimo_Bertoxx Augur

    That's not a response to my comment. I never suggested that what's being discussed is or isn't trash.

    The fallacy is yours.
  14. TheAgenda Augur

    My bad. I thought there was an insinuation there. I'll take responsibility for the misinterpretation.
  15. Smak Augur

    Heres what i want for 2023:
    server opens with all expansions available.
    at character creation you can select level, aa, and gear worn and inventory of self and bank.

    All items no drop at creation.

    SO you can pick any class, level, aa, gear, and content you want to solo group or raid.

    And make all DROPS free trade. Only no drop items would be what you start with and some exceptions like epics.
  16. mikey87 New Member

    A heavy flagging server with all expansions open. You, individually, cannot go to kunark until you have killed x y z raid mobs in classic, and cannot go to velious until you have killed x y z raid mobs in kunark, etc etc. I've always felt that expansions kill earlier content for no reason. Make me go through all of the game, not just zoom into the latest stuff. The concept of grandfathering somebody into PoTime to get their key so they don't have to actually play the expansion is absolute clown shoes. Though I don't know how well the population would hold up if they are scattered through expansions due to getting stuck. On E'ci back in the day in PoP if guilds needed people they would do backflagging and the upper class would push the lower class through in hopes of getting more numbers. I miss public raiding and Ashorty.
  17. Tucoh Augur

    • Mischief loot
    • Level-locked
    • Luclin start
    • Everything no-drop
    • Corpses lock on death
  18. Omani Journeyman

    Fippy clone, bring back the old feuds.
  19. Skuz I am become Wrath, the Destroyer of Worlds.


    An ideology is a set of beliefs or philosophies attributed to a person or group of persons, especially as held for reasons that are not purely epistemic, in which "practical elements are as prominent as theoretical ones.

    I never disputed the fact that Beastlord & Berserker were DLC at their introduction, what I think is that they should not remain so and presented reasons why I think it would be better for the players to make that change.

    The opposition to having them change from DLC to "core game" is however idealogical because the devs believe they should remain so, they have never presented any reasoning to not change this besides it being work they would have to do & that they consider these classes to still be expansion content 20 &17 years after the expansion they were introduced in.

    I hope that explains why I used that term better for you, ideologies are not purposely devoid of factual elements they are simply not restricted to them.