Cultural Raid Armor vs Raid Armor

There has always been a slight trade off going with Cultural Raid Armor vs Raid Armor. By sacrificing mana, health, you got more AC with Cultural. In the last expansion VOA Cultural Raid armor was comparable to T4 Raid armor. Getting to the point of this thread. I'm very concerned as others I'm sure with the new zones coming out in an approximately month (rumor T3 raid gear from raid instances). ROF Cultural Raid Armor stats will fall quickly behind and all the hard work camping drops, PP spent was completely wasted to make the Cultural Armor.

I sure hope the devs took this into consideration and will adjust the Cultural raid aug accordingly when the new zones goes live, assumption new zones are T3?

Penny for your thoughts.....

It used to be that the cultural raid armor was slightly worse than the highest non cultural, because you could acquire it earlier than the highest tier.
Sounds right to me if T3 > cultural.

You got to use cultural to gear up quickly. It has not been wasted. Just like my suit of T2 armor is not wasted if a new tier comes out. It just means I have new stuff to upgrade to.

If anything, cultural is too good for how easy it is to obtain (don't bore me with the "omg but the plat and farming" -- I've farmed for/made many 4As). If your guild is anything like mine, cultural drops are beyond cheaper than cheap so really you're gearing up for pennies compared to tiered armor - isn't that enough of a boon?

Does that mean it should be nerfed?
Nope, just accept it the way it is and enjoy your slightly-better-than-T1 armor. I could take your same argument and apply that to T1 armor as well, if I wanted. Bigstomp had it right

There's just no way they'd boost stats on cult armor to be a "tier 2.5" or make another tier of it - that'd be ridiculous.

Cultural being about as good as T2 raid gear w/ slightly less hp slightly more ac would seem about right, assuming SoF is only t3, not t3 and t4. Is a slight problem if there is a t4, since cultural has always been 1 tier worse than the top tier for quite some time now.

I would strongly disagree first off just like any DKP system, you bid and win either and armor drop for non-cultural or win the Cultural Raid Aug for each armor slot. So that itself is negligible. Non Cultural Raid armor is easily made with a few purchases from a NPC and done. To finalize Cultural Raid armor took endless camping mobs just to make the AOAA, then need the mech instructions, goo, Fearlink armor seal, symbol pattern, and list just keeps going. This took endless camping, tasks, tradekskilling. Now all of a sudden say it should be similar to T1/T2 is a joke.

Yes, but it was -your- choice to go that route. Be it because it was cheaper or because you like utilizing your tradeskills, which there is nothing wrong with..but asking for an entire tier of gear to be boosted because they're adding another is just slightly past crazy. I do understand what you're getting at, but in no way does a Tier 3 "obsolete" your cultural armor - it is still better than Tier 1 (which a lot of people will continue to wear well into SOF)

Agreed it was a choice based on our last expansion VOF. When Cultural raid armor was comparable to T3/T4 Raid armor. Assuming new zones will be T3 in a month and T4 around the corner then there is little to no benefit doing Cultural.

My cultural armor should always get boosted to the level of the highest tier of gear without any additional work. That way, I just have to make one set and I can reap the benefits forever.

/sarcasm off

Sounds great Taibok get to camping and Tradeskilling and PP spent, let me know how it goes for you and you're done.

Cultural traditionally somewhere between the last two tiers of armor for that expansion. So Tier 3.5 for UF, HoT and VOA, and 1.5 for RoF. However, with the presumption that there will be a 3rd tier of armor/weapons in RoF soon, Cultural may be underpowered for what we're used to.

We will not be increasing the stats on the RoF cultural amor, nor will there be another tier of it in RoF. Cultural armor was still beneficial to those who made it, though it's usefulness will decline with the release of Tier 3.

and apparnetly for the rest of the game if yo ukeep this up. Cultural gear has always been about half a tier behind the top tier, yes its available earlier but it comes at quite a tradeoff still...getting hte materials, until RoF getting the materials to MAKE the armor etc was far easier/faster and thecost in ts's and plat itself was jsut as high as it is now, however with rof (now not in 2 months) being only 2 tiers not only is there nearly no reason TO do cultural to start with, but its far moredifficult to get the needed supplies due to rarity . in VoA, HoT, UF, the loams etc dropped like candy, hell the loams for UF dropped in SoD and people had it stockpiled, but it drops far far mroe rarely in RoF than any of those, and instead of being 2.5 or more tiers above entrylevel gear, it's only halfa tier, making it pretty much worthless. period. even those of us diehard cultural users arent bothering with it because its jstu not worth it. The drops arent so common either considering dropped gear drops 1 2 3 pieces at a time and can be bought, cultural augs dont even drop 1 every time muchlessm ultiples, and cant be bougth from same venders that sell the other items that drop on those raids.


i was hoping theyd boost thestats so id have ar eason to make use of the aug task i ground out and the materials iveslowly acquired, but sicne it's not, it wont change my gameplan as i wasnt planning on that route due to the above. the FIRST time in my entire raidingcareer i will NOT be wearing cultural armor. and its a combination of both the fact taht its instead of half a tier below top despite higher cost and bigger rarity, but now it's only half a tier above bottom, and the fact taht hte materials are so rare in comparison makes it much higher cost in time effort and plat than ever in the past, while being far far less reward. Total fail on cultural this year, im guessing this is a sign that next year, like in SoD, there will be no cultural at all. Might as well at this rate

This is very disheartening will all the effort it takes to make Cultural vs Raid armor. What happened to most effort gets the best reward?

I am a cultural user. I actually feel this is a good change in regards to the raid armor and falls more in line with what the armor should be. It is still really good armor considering how quick it is available.

The great part of RoF is that armor can now be mixed/matched because of the removal of emblems and the best charms are no longer based on class specific armor. Use cultural to get a slight jump over T1, but slowly transition to higher tier armor if you feel it is necessary. Your raid cost/demand of these augments should reflect the change.

Cultural drop in tier 1, what did you expect?
You haven't been cheated you knew what you were getting into.

Anyone got magelo links to compare the two sets? (for War,Pal or SK) - T1 vs Cultural.

Regal Dreadguard Cuirass

AC: 437
HP: 3127
Mana: 3147
End: 3147
Purity: 90

Strength: 68 +16
Stamina: 37 +17
Intelligence: 29 +15
Wisdom: 32 +18
Agility: 37 +19
Dexterity: 36 +20
Charisma: 33 +16

Slot 1, type 7 (General: Group): Curator's Treasure
Slot 2, type 16: Transcendent Chest Symbol of the Skeptic
Slot 3, type 17: Fearlinked Plate Chest Seal of the Mariner
Slot 4, type 21: empty

Apocryphal Legionnaire Breastplate

AC: 440
HP: 3670
Mana: 200
End: 3394
Purity: 100

Strength: 52 +16
Stamina: 56 +17
Intelligence: 49
Wisdom: 49
Agility: 58 +26
Dexterity: 60 +19
Charisma: 52 +16

Slot 1, type 8 (General: Raid): Frozen Orb of the Fabled King
Slot 2, type 14 (Energeiac: Raid): Bronzed Crystalline Oscillator Model XVIII
Slot 3, type 21: empty
Effect: Warrior's Perception (Casting Time: 0.3)
Focus Effect: WAR Fortitude Discipline Duration


The type 8 augs and power source are different, so for a really honest comparison you have to subtract 350 hp from the raid bp and subtract 17 ac from the cultural one. Raid BP is roughly 200 hp and 20 ac better than cultural. The heroics are comparable ( increased agi on the raid bp is from aug ). I deleted the mod's2 and mod3's to make it more readable.

Kinda expected this, and I'm not overly angry about it. However, I am hoping that future expansions wont be staggered out so that cultural wearers will be forced to switch out to the highest tier visibles every expansion. Then cultural might just go the way of the dinosaur.

whic h means its not even t1. wtf