Ok so I was on a raid and I noticed that my rk 2 dots were being overwritten by rk.1 dots. I also noticed that my rk2 cripple was being overwritten by rk.1. I dont know but this needs to be fixed.I dont think that it is fair that I go out and camp dreadmotes for my rk 2 dots just to have them overwritten by a lower rank.Has anyone else had this problem?.
You're mistaken. The Rk. I DoTs stacked and you probably didn't notice the Rk. II icons were there too. Also, Rk. II Cripple overwrites and blocks Rk. I.
I dunno if he's mistaken or not, but were the dot slots full on the mob? I imagine in that situation new dots could easily overwrite the wrong thing as they push others off the mob?
Or does it simply tell you you can't cast on it when they are full? Never been in that situation before we never really had that many necros back when I was a raider.
If the dot or debuff has any additional effect, then they all must be the same rank. A quick look on alla at 95+ chanter spells shows most of your dots having a mana drain. All enchanters in raid must have the same rank of dots like that. Older versions of those lines will not stack with the newest either. Rk II mind spiral should be overwritten by rk I mind squall. I do not know if those were the spells used but I feel reasonably confident that a situation like that is what the OP is talking about. This is working as intended for all dots classes.
well see here is the thing when i casted stifle rk 2 and then like 2 seconds later i get this worn off message.So I take the time to look at the named and I notice that my spell has been overwritten by a rank 1 spell. I repeated the process all night last night and kept getting the same thing on everyone of my dots so I know that something is going on. any to for you Qest I know that I am not mistaken because it was you that was on the raid last night and it is because of you that I figured that my dots were getting overwritten by ur rk 1 dots
What is your level? Is it possible for the level of the caster to have an effect? Say a level 100 casting rk. i may override a rk ii just because they are level 99 or some such. Just a random thought.
Well, Demolished Consciousness Rk. II definitely overwrote and blocked Rk. I. When looking at debuffs, there were a lot more Enchanter DoT icons than I was casting. We can certainly test it. My guess is one of the dragons in NToV was curing itself, and that's why yours fell off.
Stifle and Mind Squall are stacking when other chanters also use it. Only the debuff DoT-series are overwritten by other chanters if the debuff values is at least equal or better. But since i have it in RK3 i didnt see anyone overwriting it on a raid, in so far i am even unsure if those arent stacking also. Will check next time Cheers
I am going to test it again tonight and post back.Btw I am lvl 100. I will double check that they arent getting worn off that infact they are getting over written.I will let you all know when I know more
enchanter dots are not for DPS, u can 3 weave the DD's for much higher dps. the debuff is the only real reason for casting a chanter DoT. thats with max VoA aa, have not parced in RoF.
We did test this, and there was a Rk. I DoT that overwrote the Rk. II, possibly because it would last longer, and thus do more damage in the end? Anyway, not nearly a big enough deal if it is a bug to worry about, IMNSHO.
Kind of agree with Bronut. On raids with necros, the mob becomes completely full of dots, and their dots are better than ours for dps. If you've got the dot that debuffs a mob, I would say the first priority for dps would be to cast mana reiterate on a casting class that is in a group that does not have it (usually rangers/beastlords are in a group with a shaman instead of a druid so they aren't bad targets) as that will probably do much more damage than a good nuke. After that, regular nukes do more damage than regular dots from my experience. I heard someone (was it Camou?) say that they had a 70k+ crit off of a dot once. Is that a common thing if it was you? If you have some better dot setup, how much damage are you getting out of each dot on average? Is anyone getting better dps off of a dot than off of a top end nuke (ones at level 90, 95, or 100)?
In a group setting: I can do more damage with twincast/nukes than with dots, but I can sustain damage much longer with dots and be out pulling while they tick for 30-69k
One thing to remember with comparing DoT ticks and nukes, is that your highest DoT ticks are not just a crit, they are a twincast. Twincast damage-over-time do not double-cast the spell, they double the output of the single spell, so you need to compare your highest DoT ticks to your highest *twincast* nukes. Damage over time doesn't amplify as much for an enchanter as nukes do- Calculated Insanity doesn't work on DoTs, nor does third spire, nor black wolf. Intensity of the Resolute and Glyph of the Cataclysm do, and so does bard enhancement. DoTs are efficient, and they still do that, but generally, nukes are more DPS.
My personal view of our DoTs: 1). Confounding cast and maintained by ONE Ench only on raids. The main reason to have multiple Ench DoTing in a raid setting would be to setup a Mental Contortion rotation and that still is only one Ench DoT at a time. 2). Mind Squall for GoM procs. I'm really stingy about hitting Mana Draw even with the super short reuse (always prepared for that super emergency that never happens...) so it can be a nice little mana boost. If I am going to do any DPS via DoTs it is usually with MS too. I generally run two nukes and 1 DoT... which brings me to my next point... 3). Laziness. When I really don't feel like giving my all then I'll load more DoTs and hit the big nuke whenever it's up. Generally, I save this strategy for when I'm soloing/boxing/doing stupid stuff Maybe someday someone or myself will do a long term parse of DoTs vs. DD. However, I think it's generally accepted that twisting 3 DD is always going to beat out the DoT. If it is anything like Druid DPS though, ideally, you use both to hit your maximum potential. It would have been nice to receive an extension to the chance to crit DoT AA instead of just extending damage per crit.
Ok since I messing around and looking to tune damage - I ran into something rather strange Using GAMPARSE I am not seeing my DOT's crit tick at all at the moment - anyone else seeing this - was setting up the parser against a dps dummy and - yeck - ZERO nada crit DOT damage - is there something odd about our DOTs that dont parse as critical ticks? I do see 30 or 50 k rarely but they don't show as 'critical'. I recall Sony patching a debuff that was critting in TOV and blowing people up - 'they fixed it' - did they fix it by trashing chanter crit dot ticks? Since I am locked at MAX AA I am not missing any AAs and all my focuses are up on my gear I would hate to see 9 levels of Critical Affliction shot to hell and 16 levels of Destructive Cascade shot to hell
I have never *ever* seen a DoT Crit message despite having critical tics. Are you just concerned they stopped our DoT crits? That's obviously not the case if you're seeing >7k mind quall tics. Remember all of our DoT AA except Critical Affliction only increase the damage of crits - not the frequency. It's not surprising to see a low rate. For parsing purposes, yes, this is problematic. For in game purposes, it is cosmetic.
Damage over Time is just weird with parsers- hell, it wasn't even viewable at all to anyone other than the caster for ages. To reassure yourself, go to the Inactive Clockwork in steamfont. Cast one dot for a while, until you get a really good range- as an example, putzing around on beta with Mind Squall and an arena dummy, I had a range from 4500 to over 54000. That's just not possible without both crits and twincast. So don't worry!
