Boxing Is The Plague Of EQ

There are lots of reasons to solo or otherwise play alone in an MMO. That they need to be enumerated for you in a 25 year old game where people have done exactly this from the beginning, is a you issue.

Not to mention, presuming that other individuals serve the purpose of being props in your show and being offended when they don't care to participate within your terms is a sociopathic trait. A pathology that often pokes it's head up in more than one respect with this game, unfortunately.

You fail to realize that neither your belief nor approval are requited.

Yeah, because the fact that we have to deal with other people in mundane day to day scenarios means no one ever engages with other people for entertainment purposes. And no one ever picks an MMO because it has other people in it. Gosh why even bother making MMOs be ya know, massively multiplayer since no one wants to interact with other people. You can come up with a better argument than this one.

Wanting to play an MMO with other people makes me a sociopath. Good to know.

I do not feel other people are props for my entertainment. I do prefer to play an MMO with other people. Boxing has slowly eaten away at what I find enjoyable about EQ. The EQ I know and love is dying a little more with every new TLP, as more and more people choose to box over socializing. But if I complain about how EQ is losing what made it great to me I am some evil monster who wants to force other people to play with me? BTW I am not offended when people don't want to group with me. I don't know where you are coming up with me being personally offended by boxers. I am not. I simply find it an undesirable trait in a server.

You are right, people do want to play the game in different ways, but I am apparently not allowed to support my preferred server because doing so makes me a sociopathic meanie who wants to ruin other people's fun. Or maybe I am just trying to do what little I can to support the aspects of the game that I love. How is that any different from people coming on here and supporting the aspects of the game they love? You preach tolerance and acceptance of other people's playstyles but attack and insult those who don't openly embrace boxing as the savior of EQ. Maybe try looking in the mirror the next time you accuse someone of being intolerant of other people's preferred playstyles.

Am I too persistent in my support of the servers I prefer for your taste? Would you prefer I shut up and go away and stop saying I prefer truebox, even though I do prefer truebox? Why shouldn't I express my opinion? Because you don't like hearing it? Why is my opinion in support of truebox "sociopathic"? Why is it less valid than your opinion of boxing? Are unrestricted boxing supporters not trying to force me to play their way? Or are you just lashing out at me because the real people you are mad at, DPG, for not giving you a unrestricted boxing server are ignoring you? Are you afraid that DPG will read my posts and think there are people do support truebox and keep putting it on the servers? Is that why you feel the need to attack and insult me for not agreeing with you?

I am not a monster, I am not an evil witch who cackles in joy over other people's misery, I am not a sociopath who derives pleasure from other people's suffering, I do not have main character syndrome, I am just someone who loves what this game was and doesn't want to see it turn into something unrecognizable. Every truebox argument turns into the boxing supporters saying I am everything that is wrong with the world today because I don't agree with them. Sorry for having an opinion and being passionate about it. Ya know, just like you all.

Good joke. You spend however many posts acting like a sociopath and going out of your way to be condescending. You throw out actually insane myopic arguments and call the people who don't derive enjoyment from the exact same things as you cheaters.
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

And you twist my words and resort to insults, without addressing a single point I have made. What did I do that qualifies as sociopathic? When did I call boxers cheaters? Other than the post where I specifically said I did not think that they were cheaters. Comparing boxing to a cheat code is not the same as calling boxers cheaters. I don't even think cheat codes are cheating. They are literally programed into the game, how is that cheating? Would you prefer I used the term "approved in game mechanics that make the game easier to play".

Takes one to know one? We can all throw out platitudes.

Blah blah. Indignant victimhood complex when called on sociopathic traits is also a sociopathic trait. None of this is directed at anyone in particular. It's just so pervasive in these discussions and your earlier comment was an excellent example.

It's 2024. You're using words and phrases like "losing" and "turning into." I hate to break it to you but this ship already sailed FOUR presidential administrations ago. People who stat on their parents' laps and watched them box before bedtime are now doing the same in short sessions after getting their kids in bed. It is the 20th miraculous year of survival since this game was literally dwarfed by it's first real competitor.

It's not that anyone doesn't tolerate your preferences. Most of us share them and often play exactly as you do, if not always. It's that we are sick of the incessant moralizing and crying about it. Most especially is the sense of entitlement that works its way into the game. No one has to justify why they box multiple toons to you. If you don't understand why they do it, in 2024, that's your failing, not theirs. And, no, you don't have some right of way in-game when you see a box crew that isn't cheating or greifing, neither of which is excusive to boxers despite the casual suggestions that they are.

Advocate for your preferred ruleset all you want. But there's a reason why they haven't done a no boxing server before. And you do have other options that are quite good. Just stop being such unmitigated, insufferable ****s about it.

What you did that's sociopathic is ride in here to white knight against the evil boxers with the express intention of talking down to/condemning people who enjoy the game in a different way. In none of your numerous posts have you proven any harm done to you by boxers beyond them having the temerity to be independent in "your EQ." That's the core of the matter, here you are getting hurt and martyring yourself for "your opinion" when no one asked you to volunteer it and (since again, you haven't been able to cite an activity/zone/camp/item explicitly denied to you by these people existing) you have no reason to be involved in this discussion in the first place.

I can't fathom what the root of your obviously deep-seated issues are, but you brought these accusations on yourself by going out of your way to condemn and accuse people of weak moral character, cheating, and RMT simply because they'd rather not wait for other people to help them farm phase panther skins.

I don't want a no boxing server, I have never advocated for a no boxing server. I have never accused boxers of being cheaters, or of RMT, or of having a weak moral character. Lies and insults are all you have.

Stop. You saying those things, it's right there in this thread.

So you're just in this thread because you enjoy moralizing and demeaning other people because you don't approve of the way they play the game?

I think we're to the point where we need to start throwing around "Boxer Derangement Syndrome".

Because I've yet to see boxers in these threads do much besides the basic 'dude, chill', and the vast majority just play EQ, pay their subs, and (the majority) dont mess with the forum at all.

Is boxing hard? No. Pocket healers have been a thing since day one. A mage needs a hotkey to assist main, a pet attack button, a nuke button. Honestly it's always been wild to me people think the fancy cheat programs would ever even remotely needed for the dude running a enc/mag/clr around. Its so.... not... difficult... at...all... Heck, I'd go as far to say actually setting up on one machine would be harder barrier to entry than a couple junk lap tops.t

You know what is hard? Spending any amount of energy carie about accomplishing things in everquest. And refusing to box. Having your mood depend upon putting together random PUGs... and not being willing to handle 2 of the jobs at once. Its SO MUCH EASIER to form groups quickly if you bring a second toon to the equation. ITS SO MUCH HARDER to try and find 5 unique snowflakes who are against everything that isnt staring at a spell book and reminiscing about the time you got rubicite arms when you were a teenager.

Entire communities are built upon recreating 1999. Projects. Great people to mingle with. It'd be so very much more rewarding and fulfilling to you than continuing click 'PLAY EQ' on dpg servers and spend your entire day getting mad at people who are either directly more talented than you or are just putting in more effort than you.

I'm saying this not because i care about you (spoiler: I do not).... But because you need a reality check. Botters absolutely dont care about you. Boxers go out of their way to avoid you. DPG doesnt care about you either, you are the noisy difficult money. Anything they do to appease you takes a lot of effort with little positive result to tell the shareholders about (Aradune, Tormax...) and is just mentally draining like sticking a fork in a light socket.

You are literally sitting here screaming at clouds. Occasionally you find someone else that thinks similar to you, but it doesnt change anything you are mad at. Your 'enemy' is paying more money, submitting zero customer service tickets, and keeping the lights on. Your enemy is not DPGs enemy.

Believe me, anyone with a pulse knows where to find automaters. PLers. They arent hidden underground. We know the zones they are in. They are your enemy, not the company's enemy.

We all have amazing memories of 1999 and falling off the tree city, getting your troll killed by good guy npcs.. making your first armor using a tradeskill.. the first time you saw a dragon.. You want to relive that, there are multiple projects that handle that.. places that care more about community, preserving the roleplaying 1 player joining a bigger entity to accomplish stuff... blah blah..

This ain't it. You are sitting on the live tlp servers mad they arent like the projects. I could scream at my cat to bark all day, it won't make it a dog. Go ENJOY stuff the way you want to enjoy it. It's not too late. Don't just continue to look for contentment in the one place unlikely to ever give it to you,

Please. For your own sake. Be reasonable. Be Happy.

I, too, like to say a lot of things to make myself feel superior to the other side. Always makes me feel better about myself when I can just say that I am the unappreciated savior of the game, and those who have an opinion about my methods are just incapable of understanding me.

I'm not superior to anyone. Just be honest with yourself. If you are talented enough to box and you don't, that doesn't make you morally superior to anyone, it just means you are half-assing something you enjoy doing.

If you aren't talented enough to setup e m u to join one of the multiple servers that literally cater to exactly the kind of experience you want (the legit nostalgia trip for those seeking it), that once again *is on you*.

You can come on to these forums every day and scream that the current holding company that is collecting the EQ paycheck isn't catering to you (even though daybreak never has and most certainly never will) ...

And you'd be right. It isn't. DO SOMETHING about it. If your goal in life is to PUG everquest on exactly the official tlp servers, then box a 2nd toon and make filling a pug with you in 50x easier. Or go join a real community interested in reliving their old eq single client memories as close to what they remember as possible.

Everything you need to be happy is right in front of you. And you instead choose to be mad the cash cow tlp is the exact same thing as the last one. I dont want to anger anyone. I dont want to laugh at anyone. I'm a dude. When i hear problems I want to fix them. It's in our nature,.

But you need to look in the mirror and see the truth. Once the tlp actually starts, the forum becomes an echo chamber for the disgruntled LFG single boxer. It's not because you are 'right' and playing 'correctly', its because the silent majority of who pays DPGs bills are long past logging into the forums, and enjoying the product being put out.

Be mad at the boxers all you want. Thats totally fine. But understand you are causing your own unhappiness. Classic EQ you want to play the way you want to play it is all over. Use your talent to find it. Please.

If your goal in life is to enjoy everything about 1999 while still having Origin and no corpse runs and translocators and instances and....

You are just an old man yelling at a rain cloud. Unwilling to evolve. Unwilling to be part of your own happiness.

For the first time, I am running into a LOT of very bad boxers in Teek. I am assuming first timers, but many seem just lazy and in it only to get boxes up for their guild raids and loots. Many 3 boxers seem to play 1 char, with the other 3 boxes doing like 10% of what they can do.

Many boxes this time also seem to have warrior and not SK, guess for raids.

For the first time, I find it aggravating to group with bad players boxing heh. In previous TLPs most were good!

Nah, there's a whole superiority complex going on here.

All I've seen from the pro-boxer side is moral grandstanding and faux-internet psychological diagnoses, calling people who disagree with boxing as "sociopathic" when that person has very clearly stated they dislike the act of boxing but doesn't hold anything against boxers. Everything from you has been some weird made up analysis about my personal happiness in regards to gaming, something that you have to make up to make yourself feel better and superior in your choices.

Box or don't box, I personally don't give af. I don't like boxing, and I see it as the lazy way out. You want the rewards that come from group gameplay and group content without having to put in the responsibility of working with a group. You can justify it all you want about how boxing is "mOrE wOrK" or whatever you want to say, but it has already been established that the entire purpose of boxing in the first place is because it's an easier solution than grouping.

Where I do have a problem with boxing is when boxers want to come into servers with specific boxing restrictions, and circumvent those restrictions, or protest to have those restrictions removed for their benefit. It is a sense of max entitlement, that they already get to have all the default servers, and they also feel entitled to the spaces that are intended for people who want a minimal boxing experience. And in my observations, a sense of entitlement goes hand in hand with boxing in the first place, as again, the people boxing feel entitled to, or owed, group content and group level rewards without putting in any of that work.

So go ahead and continue your wanna-be psychologist diagnoses of people who don't like boxing, and your arbitrary, made up analyses of my personal happiness that comes from not boxing, but the truth of the matter is, those are all you issues, not me issues. You can box to your heart's content, but you are also not entitled to our agreement or endorsement of the practice. Luckily for you, our endorsement is also not a prereq for your boxing practices, so box as much as you want. Just don't be upset when people disagree with it and find that it is harmful to their experiences as well, especially when boxers are very forward with pushing their way into spaces that aren't even intended for them.

Reminder: Boxing is against Brad's vision and not how he designed the game to be played. Boxing is effectively "more powerful" than a lot of the 3rd party cheats people always complain about. Boxing exists because it makes DBG a ton of money and that's ultimately all they care about. What's best for the players is secondary to what makes the most money.

I think everyone knows all of this deep down. Any argument to the contrary is just box lovers defending their bs.

/popcorn...