Boxing Is The Plague Of EQ

Fewer boxes means more humans and a healthier community. It's more people to talk to, trade with, and play with, and it's greater immersion. I think players in general would end up happier, even most boxers. And, if done right, the company can make more money.

I'm curious too... about what's happening with your posts.

challenge, give not boxing a try for a few weeks, new server is a good experiment... if you don't like it fine

If only that were true, I don't think we would be in this situation. While even though I would prefer to play one, the boxers didn't create the situation they reacted to it.

The reason for boxing is because the community is not healthy. No one back in the day got up and thought "What I want to do is pay for multiple accounts and computers and the KVM switches to run them" out of the clear blue. It happened after dealing with incredibly bad, toxic players who leached experience, ninja looted and left group when they had what they wanted and generally were insufferable jerks. If you're complaining about boxing I have a strong feeling that you managed to make your way on to a large number of /ignore lists and your reputation was mud.

People didn't start boxing because they're bad people they started boxing because of bad people.

I can still recall the last time I was ever in a PUG. I was pulling with my Bard as usual and was starting to get fed up with several people. I told my friend playing a Druid to be ready because I was going to deal with the selfish jerk. He bound them all there. I booted the offending players from the group which they didn't even notice, then I trained the camp and the Druid ported us out. Left them in a bind death loop and it was almost half an hour before the complaint /tell started so I blocked them.

So this is an opinion going back over 20 years. If you actually believe that "Boxing is the Plague" then you are a bad player and I don't want you around.

So you boot someone, train them, and then port out.

You're right, there definitely was a jerk player in this story. I don't think it's who you think it is though.

Boxers are the ultimate "I am the main character"

got my 7 pcs set up one is for the trader,will get the 6 to lvl 4 so enchanter can get invis persona my ogre and enchanter to sebilis zi invis the ogre meet up with the other 5 real humans wich i will lvl to 60,since i am retired now i will lvl the other 5 and trade on the 7account in commons,all of my friends 2 or 3 box we will get the boxes up and have fun like we do on most tlps over the years.

There is no logical connection there.

They were all /afk or chatting and not even watching. They weren't playing they were useless leaches who wanted to discuss whatever game was on television. In short they were all stupid jerks who would have all died if I'd died on a pull and never known why. In fact I doubt that they even knew what happened they just came back from having another slice of pecan pie to see that they'd lost a level or so

They used a chat feature to... chat.

You made assumptions about them, trained them, and then ported away like a coward.

Again, there is a jerk in your story, but it's not who you think it is.

People weren't playing exactly how you wanted them to, so instead of being mature about it and leaving the group because you clearly had different objectives and goals, you decided to be spiteful and vindictive. Yet somehow you think you were the victim here.

"I am the main character" syndrome on absolute full display.

Everytime I see a boxer try to justify their behavior, it just makes them look worse and worse everytime, validating my opinion of boxers the more I actually interact with them.

playes boxed back in 1999, i was there!

Responses like these are just... so overdramatic and unintentionally hilarious that it's hard to respond, but I'll give it a shot.

I've boxed a 2nd character on most TLPs (generally a druid, for obvious reasons) that I gladly stuff away immediately when someone wants the group spot. This has also been my experience with almost every other boxing player I've encountered. They happily drop a box or boxes for human players. These people aren't speedrunning and I'm certainly not. The pace is the same, regardless.

Speedrunners are the folks that are level 50 a day or two after game launch. Not coincidentally, these people are almost exclusively not boxers.

Everquest evokes the same feeling of wonder I had in 2000 when I began playing, every time I log in. I'm stoked for Teek. See ya there!

You mean my posts appearing hours (or days) after I actually posted them and so get missed by many unless I quote them? They are "mod reviewed"

Umm...that's not accurate. the number of humans does not change if you have fewer boxes. you'd just see fewer toons online. whether someone is running 1 box or 10 it's still just one human. And as for trading - i would venture to say you'd see less tradeskill stuff hitting the market because zones would not be cleared as fast/often.

I made no assumptions. I run a parser and I could see that they were not engaging on most pulls, I could see when they were ninja looting. I could tell from the conversations and misstells to /group that they had really interesting conversations with /general and other private chats. In short they were leaches and slackers and earned their bind death loops

Boxing is the only reason the lights are still on in this game lol.

Boxing became a necessity because all you "Check In" types. Nobody wants to log in and do nothing.

again it began in 1999

You do realize that banning boxing won't magic players into existence who don't currently exist? All you'd do is force the ones already there to potentially group with you.

Fewer Boxes means fewer Characters in game...it has ZERO effect on the number of Humans online.

It is not more people to talk to or trade with....killing boxes does not add players it only reduces characters.

If you guys are saying that suddenly banning boxing wouldn't suddenly make missing humans reappear, that's true. It would take time for lost players to trickle back, and really it would be better to prevent the attrition in the first place by having a rule in place at the beginning of a server.