Bard DPS increase required..

i have no idea what your talking about

Stuff is read,threads are booted up the chain as appropriate. Bug tracker is a good place to post specific fixes/design changes.

I propose a new activated AA for bards called Kabong. When used the bard swoops in and smashes a guitar over the mobs head, causing damage and potentially stunning the mob.

Or Bandcamp, where the bard takes their flute and.... nevermind forget that one I guess.

they wont address a true melee class's concerns on dps atm, not sure bards are gonna get looked at before. just my 2cp, is what it is.

Maybe making the instrument fighting AAs relevant and adding instruments as a choice in gear could make bards? Still trying to throw out ideas, though the original if having DPS songs extend the duration of non proc limited buff songs seems to be my favorite.

Don't worry, everyone, it looks like the Devs have heard our discontent and disappointment and have addressed it accordingly with a big middle-finger-shaped, barbed-wire toy for us to sit and rotate on.

Don't be a drama llama. That nerf was aimed at, and has FAR more impact on, berserkers and warriors. That bards got swept up in it a very little bit is unfortunate, but just another little predication for any action that's actually taken to address bard class issues.

Lol, right.

Honestly, I think these changes are going to have a much smaller effect on Zerkers then you think, once they learn the new burn order. I still see Zerkers dominating everyone else, and by a wide margin. Almost all of there core abilities remain unchanged and will be just as effective as before. Also, most of the changes affecting zerkers will be affecting all the other melee as well.

I don't know how else to describe the impact of Savage Spirit no longer stacking with Prophet's Gift of the Ruchu or Glyph of the Cataclysm to multiply berserker melee crits besides "enormous". Very differently from bards, those critical melee hits encompass all of berserker burn damage, not just some of their hits which are only part of their damage.

I'm a bit late to the conversation (largely due to a reluctance to post), but I wanted to just emphasize that even if you think that bards should be "jack of all..." and are plenty valuable due to their ADPS, a personal DPS increase is still a nice quality of life change for bards.

I often get in situations where I am moloing (during the anniversary, for example) and it would just be nice if every single mob didn't feel a battle of attrition.

I'm not exactly knowledgeable enough to know what bards really need in terms of the group and raid game because I am largely a casual player, but it seems to me that bards are pretty far behind other classes in personal DPS. I once saw a discussion about making instruments range usable, but it was dismissed because of instrumental combat. I don't really see how instrumental combat would really put bards in a place of power even if it was a constant buff that bards had on all the time, and it seems like such a simple fix just to do that much.

It also would be nice to see an AA version of Jonthan's that continually upgrades and grants us other self-only bonuses from other songs (like the barrier line and maybe amplify, which I'm told improves selo's kick, but I've never cared enough to check), but I suppose that's mostly for flavor, despite the fact that it would help with making bard song choices in groups and solo.

Bards used to be solid dps (not amazing, but pretty good with the kick ability) back in underfoot. They should return that, but remove the push (it was horrible push if you didn't have a well cornered mob if I recall right - ages ago, so I could be wrong)

I remember! In UF we got Insults for the first time, they didn't have a refresh time, so you could do a melody like /melody 1 7 7 7 (Aria + 3 nukes) for crazy good DPS. Of course, that didn't last long (neither did the burn DPS).

Not keying in on the dps debate, but I think mobs should get a song buff window just like players do and short term debuffs should go there.
as you were

How about just no debuff limit?

Bards have no all skills % damage modifier abilities, which is pretty rare, and a bit odd when you think about it.

Something other than War march or caretaker, or did you mean "no all skills % damage modifier above 8%"?

He clearly meant no meaningful all skills damage mods that are self only.

You know like all the other hybrids get

Is self, but it may not meet the definition of "meaningful" to some.

forgot about fierce eye at 12% Hit damage