Let me start off by saying I'm not really a boxer. I don't use addons because I'm a techo-illiterate who is scared of anything not approved by my Director of IT (read husband) who considers third party gaming programs to be too risky (he doesn't allow ESO add-ons either and they allow them). EQ is 23 years old. Most MMOs have a functional life expectancy of a couple years at best, but EQ has continued to survive. Not despite boxers, but because of them. Without people willing to pay for 6 or 12 or 18 accounts people like me and most of the folks who come to these forums whining about boxers could NOT keep EQ alive. Like any other player you have good and bad boxers. And, for the record, I can cite for you literally hundreds of instances over the years where my experience with "bad apple" players hasn't involved an EQ boxer, but a single player who just happened to be a total jerk. I'm not saying all boxers are good, I've met my share of [insert bad word here] boxers too. But I've seen far more solo jerks than I have boxers. The problem isn't the boxers, without whom EQ would have crapped out a decade ago, but with bad people (boxer or not). Back in the day there was something called the PNP (Play Nice Policy). That was a good thing that kept EQ a good game. Bad boxers (the ones who use game breaking hacks, the ones people complain perma-camp essential mobs, whose groups train over others, etc...oh wait, I've seen plenty of non-boxers do ALL of that too!!!) would be caught and weeded out by reimplementation and enforcement of the old PNP. Good boxers wouldn't be impacted and would continue to largely subsidize the game we love. In the past month or so several friends and people in my guilds have been banned for 7 days (the old standard was 3 for a first offense) and all but one of them didn't receive an email at all, the one who did received a form letter that was so generic as to be useless. In every case these were people who did not to my knowledge use game breaking hacks (warps, speed hacks, etc.), who were scrupulously careful not to be the village jerk, and who would drop everything to help anyone (guildie or not) who asked. Now tell me, please, how is someone like that detrimental to EQ? Were they "cheating"? Yes, but they weren't breaking the game or hurting anyone in any way. I play on a couple of the Progression servers and can tell you that boxers are a beneficial and much needed feature to keep those servers going and to keep people like me playing. And honestly, by the draconian standards mentioned in the post I'm linking, anyone who uses a G13 (darn Logitech for stopping making them because even without using them to automate, just use as an additional "mouse" or in my case to emulate a 10 keypad because I use my right hand on the real mouse) is also cheating. And, as I've said before, I know a lot of solo players who make use of their Razor keyboards, G13s (or whatever flavor they choose) far more flagrantly than most boxers I know use other softwares to allow them to play multiple toons. Additionally, regarding "cheating" by using 3rd party products, it has been common knowledge among non-boxers as well as boxers for the past decade SOE/Daybreak/Darkpaw staff has been telling boxers on the downlow that programs like the "light" version of [He who must not be named] are "ok" as long as certain functions aren't used such as, what players call "magic maps", full on open world AFK farming, and some other things. (yes, I'm techno illiterate, but I do have ears and I'm not stupid!) There are those who complain incessantly about boxers and use some rather nasty generalizations and stereotypes to describe them (making me wonder if those folks are as intolerant of people not like them in real life). One of the biggest complaints is that Boxers make it so they can't get groups. Over the years I've made friends with several boxers because they OFFERED to help me with a quest because I was solo, or were willing to drop a box if I needed a group. All I had to do was ask. Most of the boxers in my guilds are like that and they make the game so much more enjoyable for their kindness. Attitude has more to do with grouping opportunities or their limitations than Boxers do, they're just an easy scapegoat and an easier excuse. As I said, there are bad boxers as well, and for those I don't support a 7 day suspension, but perma-banning. Bad apples, boxers or solo, don't belong in the EQ world, but good players who show courtesy and kindness to other players are an asset that EQ can ill afford to squander. It's simple economics. For every boxer who is driven away from EQ, Darkpaw has to find anywhere from 3-24 new players to backfill the loss or increase subscription costs and/or downsize staff to compensate. For those boxers who are a true detriment to the community it's a price we have to pay, but for those who aren't a detriment Darkpaw (and non-boxers) are only shooting ourselves in the foot (or as Grandma used to say "cutting of [our] nose to spite our face.") Finally, as promised, the link to what constitutes cheating. What Constitutes as Cheating? | EverQuest Forums (daybreakgames.com) The final paragraph here is a bit concerning. "Lastly, we will not publicly list specific names of approved third-party programs and software as we cannot guarantee that those programs will remain approved in the future." Excuse me? That's like the DMV telling you "we expect you to follow the law, but we're not going to tell you whether certain cars or modifications to your car have been deemed illegal or not, you'll just have to find out when you're arrested." And that's the biggest reason that I wrote this post. I don't like the "government" telling people that they can or can't do something then saying we're not going to tell you what's ok and what's not. It's a principle of justice and in the face of Devs/staff telling people on the sly that some things are ok for a decade then changing the rules without some rather specific clarification it's injustice when people are blindsided with suspensions and ones that are much harsher than in the past. Are you trying to kill the game? Because there's another thread of people saying they're done, and for every one that posts there are probably 10 or so who are just quietly posting their good-byes on their guild's forums and unsubscribing, stopping buying kronos, etc. I love EQ and I like playing with real groups, but I realize that without boxers this game would have gone the way of Conan, Vanguard, Warhammer and any number of other dead games.