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Artificial intelligence and EverQuest

Discussion in 'The Veterans' Lounge' started by Bagel, Apr 8, 2024.

  1. Rijacki Just a rare RPer on FV and Oakwynd

    Or just wrestle the station ones away before they get recorded over with other shows.
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  2. JetZeppelin2h Augur

    Time doesn't exist in the way you think about it. There is no past or future there is just the current state. If one day someone finds a way for all cells to go backwards you could go back in "time" but in reality you are just having every cell in existence making the opposite movement they did before but your idea of time is still moving forward and can never go back because it isn't a physical thing and just an idea that doesn't exist.
  3. Nennius Curmudgeon

    I wasn't being serious. And anyone who believes they know the absolute truth of how time works is just being naive. I suspect that our future selves will laugh a LOT at our ignorance, just as their future selves will laugh at them. Simply put, there is lots to learn and there will be tons of disproven facts to forget. The future IS the undiscovered country. And, for me, that is very cool to think about.
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  4. Rijacki Just a rare RPer on FV and Oakwynd

    While it might be fun to have a chatbot AI for some NPCs to give a bit more "life" to the cities and such, it would be horrible to have those linked to quests in any way. It would also be very disconcerting to have them "self-learning" because that would have many of the same pitfalls as other chatbots with "self-learning" which could also be a liability for Daybreak and the ESRB rating for the game.
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  5. ttobey Developer

    I'm sure it will help in the near future and be a tool for artists to use, but it's not there yet.
  6. Captain Video Augur

    In my old age, I'm finding that what remaining intelligence I think I have is all artificial. I'm sure that same thing exists throughout EQ now.
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  7. Smokezz The Bane Crew

    NPC's with the wrong number of fingers for all!
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  8. JetZeppelin2h Augur

    You know that would be a pretty sweet way to be able to figure out which npc is the ph. If they made 1 model have 6 fingers instead of 5. Then in a zone where you have say 20 mobs all with the name a bandit but 1 of the 20 mobs has 6 fingers instead of 5 and you know killing that a bandit would give a 5% chance it would respawn as Bandit Leader!!!!!
  9. Nennius Curmudgeon

  10. JetZeppelin2h Augur

    Can we make this a battle? Like players get to write the AI for an NPC then we use that NPC as like a pet to challenge other player made AI or NPC and the more they kill the higher they rank.
  11. uberkingkong Augur

    Notice it was said tool for artists to use.

    To me, AI is just like MMORPG, very vague.
    A game has massive amount of players online, and is RPG. Yet not considered MMORPG? Guild Wars1. MMORPG vague. You goto a city zone and theres 100 people in the city, roleplaying, MMORPG. But people don't considered GW1 MMORPG. I do.

    Anyways.
    AI, chatgpt, to me, I guess thinking about it, its not AI. It's just a really good program.

    AI is, I'm telling the computer, I want to make a game, help me code. While I code, it says do this, do that do this do that.

    Thats not how ChatGPT works though, you have to manually give it something, I get error with this, how to solve. Thats not AI, thats just a program helping you solve stuff.

    It's like NPCs in EQ, they just programs, it does same stuff over and over.

    An AI in EQ would be like,
    Hey NPC follow me
    I would like to defend this tower area.
    Wouldn't it be interesting if orcs attacked this tower and we were to defend it.

    event occurs orcs attacking area.

    Thats an example of program, well could be AI, you are talking and it knows what your intention is, how you want to go about playing the game.

    But AI you doesn't need to be constantly feed, there is a point where knows what you want, you tell once and it observes.

    Like coding, if it was really an AI it would observe you code while knowing what your goal is and provide tips and what not while you code. In video game, it would provide content and what not while you game, knowing how you want to play. Not you asking/doing inputs into the program 24/7.
  12. JetZeppelin2h Augur

    What do you think AI is? It is a program that tries to make a person think it is real. I think you may be confusing artificial intelligence with real intelligence. The question today isn't whether we have AI because we have tons of AI all over the world.... the real question is have we created intelligence or not. As long as it is AI it can't create anything new, it just uses what humans have told it exist and it then combines all that existing data into something new. Real intelligence will exist when the computer can think of something new that humans have never heard of.
  13. uberkingkong Augur

    With chatgpt its just a program + big data
    just because it has confidence which is a machine learning thing, I do not think means it is AI.

    I'll have a code problem and say do not use this. It uses it again.

    AI is to me, where you go from task to task and you don't have to say anything it already has an idea of what your going to do next and gets into it without you having to prompt for it.

    Like say you wrote a wireframe of a database, now you open a workbench, and the AI gives you the file that has all the connections you was doing on the wireframe. boom done. now your going to go code it, it gives you the code to connect everything. now your going to work on functions you give the function a name boom inventoryitem function boom done it knows what your trying to connect.

    If you login at 2am, it says what you doing so late. or if you login at 2am and your coding, it talks to about you code.

    Chatgpt though, its just like google, just more modern.

    Google you'd copy and paste your error message
    chatgpt you'd say, "can you help" then copy your error message

    google gives you links, chatgpt gives you some code the program collected from big data and what not.

    Not an AI.
    Automated Intelligence

    I load up chatgpt I'm not getting anything from, no automated intelligence knowing I'm here something, because there is no intelligence.

    It's like YouCam, it enchances images. It's just making the image better, there is no AI with that, thats a program. You drag and drop an image and it makes it better, thats not AI.
    YouCam Video is the best AI video editor to add AI cartoon filters


    So again, these terms are just so vague. It's pretty much marketing folks, hyping up things thinking they know what they talking about, creating buzz words.

    Automated Intelligence, on something you drag and drop and it makes an image better.
    Wheres the intelligence?

    Google, you type in words and it autofills, is that AI?
    IG you get feeds related to what you've been interested in lately, is that AI?

    How come chatgpt is considered AI?
    How come YouCam considered AI?

    Google, IG, etc. they have confidence and all that too.

    Vague Vague Vague.
    MMORPG,
    GW1 thousands of people online, cities with 100s of people you can mingle and roleplay with. Yet people do not consider it an MMORPG. To me it is.
    Those AI things people think are AI, they aint.

    I'm struggling with code, chatgpt aint gonna help unless I follow the program and put stuff into it and say explicitly do not do this, do not do this.

    It's like google search sophisticated one. like google search with filters and parameters to
    basically do the samething with chatgpt but your saying do not show stuff other than this.
    https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2466433?hl=en
    site: [cat -jar yada yada]

    Google and chatgpt same thing just programs, those people that say check out my whatever, use my words when using chatgpt, you'll get better results.

    Yeah because it aint AI, its a program, someone knows who to use the search program better. They know about keywords and filters and so on.
    I have to put some inputs into the program "how do i..." program gives results.
  14. Cpt.Serartin New Member

    hmm i just 'searched' google to complete rom collection.
    With the rom 'Phantasy Star' ( dcast )
  15. JetZeppelin2h Augur

    It appears you don't know what AI is. AI is artificial intelligence, don't forget the artificial part at the start (it means the system isn't really thinking on its own and only following orders 100% of the time). All AI systems are 100% safe and can't take over the world because it is just a bunch of true / false statements that give an output. This doesn't mean that if you code a bad driving computer that it won't get a person killed but it isn't trying to kill them it just was coded badly.

    I think the big problem is most people if you say AI they are thinking of real Intelligence not artificial intelligence. In simple terms current AI is just taking in tons of information then you give it some words and based on those words it looks at billions of other times those words were used and what the correct output was for most of those times. It then tries to make an output that fits into the model.

    It isn't thinking for itself it isn't intelligent at all. Alot of what they have spent billions of dollars working on though isn't AI but trying to teach a computer to be intelligent. If a machine knows nothing except it gets sound, touch, and vision inputs and it knows it has certain "muscles" machine parts it can move and then it figures out how to do something on its own without being told is what they really want. They have been working on it for years spent millions sometimes just for a robot arm to be able to pick up a ball.
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  16. Svann2 The Magnificent

    No. AI is best used for entertainment, not coding.
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  17. Lodestar The Undefeated

    So what you're saying is that if it's not Skynet, then it's not AI?

    Insightful as always.
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  18. Lodestar The Undefeated


    TLDR. Ctrl+F for Palworld and didn't find any results, so I didn't read anything.

    Can you please give us an example of Palworld and AI?

    Palworld is all I was expecting to see, and therefore don't feel I gained any value. Requesting a redo.
  19. kizant Augur

    That's exactly what the AIs want you to think.
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  20. MasterMagnus The Oracle of AllHigh


    Oh hey EQ2! EQ1 already has 3rd party improved textures, for years, with AI aid of course.

    Like I already mentioned...