Alchemy potion restrictions changes

Discussion in 'Time Locked Progression Servers' started by Ngreth Thergn, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. Ngreth Thergn Developer

    So, the patch note about this is vague, mostly because we don't want a long, drawn-out explanation in the patch notes. Therefore, there is this post.

    Alchemy distillates have a required level.
    For each alchemy distillate, we found the player spell it most resembled.
    We compared the potion to the spell.
    If the potion is less powerful than the player spell at the required level, then we marked it to be allowed.
    If the potion is more powerful, we delayed it's entry to the game until the player spells became more powerful, up to Prophesy of Ro. If the potion was always more powerful, we marked it for Prophesy of Ro unlock. The specific example of this is the damage shield potions.

    One exception we made was to change the power of some mid-level shaman and druid regeneration spells. (that is noted in spells)

    Then, We also marked the potions to be restricted if it's required level is above player levels (no making level 106 potions from the start to get skill... not that the components are available for the 106 potions... but the general idea is there and this covers the gaps where components for higher level potions may be available)

    Then we took the more restrictive of those choices and restricted the alchemy combines to that era. The exception to this is where there were already long-term restrictions on potions. This is mostly the XI to XIII potions. I may address that again in the future, but for now, I stuck with restrictions that were already years old.

    This resulted in a list that is best given to you in table form:
    RECIPE - Restriction
    Distillate of Alacrity I - No Restriction
    Distillate of Alacrity II - No Restriction
    Distillate of Alacrity III - No Restriction
    Distillate of Alacrity IV - No Restriction
    Distillate of Alacrity V - No Restriction
    Distillate of Alacrity VI - No Restriction
    Distillate of Alacrity VII - No Restriction
    Distillate of Alacrity VIII - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Alacrity IX - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Alacrity X - Ruins of Kunark

    Distillate of Antidote I - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Antidote II - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Antidote III - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Antidote IV - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Antidote V - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Antidote VI - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Antidote VII - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Antidote VIII - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Antidote IX - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Antidote X - The Planes of Power
    Distillate of Antidote XI - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Antidote XII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Antidote XIII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Antidote XIV - Seeds of Destruction
    Distillate of Antidote XV - House of Thule
    Distillate of Antidote XVI - Veil of Alaris
    Distillate of Antidote XVII - Rain of Fear

    Distillate of Celestial Healing I - No Restriction
    Distillate of Celestial Healing II - No Restriction
    Distillate of Celestial Healing III - No Restriction
    Distillate of Celestial Healing IV - No Restriction
    Distillate of Celestial Healing V - No Restriction
    Distillate of Celestial Healing VI - No Restriction
    Distillate of Celestial Healing VII - No Restriction
    Distillate of Celestial Healing VIII - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Celestial Healing IX - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Celestial Healing X - The Planes of Power
    Distillate of Celestial Healing XI - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Celestial Healing XII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Celestial Healing XIII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Celestial Healing XIV - Seeds of Destruction
    Distillate of Celestial Healing XV - House of Thule
    Distillate of Celestial Healing XVI - House of Thule
    Distillate of Celestial Healing XVII - Veil of Alaris
    Distillate of Celestial Healing XVIII - Rain of Fear
    Distillate of Celestial Healing XIX - Ring of Scale

    Distillate of Clarity I - No Restriction
    Distillate of Clarity II - No Restriction
    Distillate of Clarity III - No Restriction
    Distillate of Clarity IV - No Restriction
    Distillate of Clarity V - No Restriction
    Distillate of Clarity VI - No Restriction
    Distillate of Clarity VII - No Restriction
    Distillate of Clarity VIII - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Clarity IX - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Clarity X - The Planes of Power
    Distillate of Clarity XI - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Clarity XII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Clarity XIII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Clarity XIV - Seeds of Destruction
    Distillate of Clarity XV - House of Thule
    Distillate of Clarity XVI - Veil of Alaris
    Distillate of Clarity XVII - Rain of Fear
    Distillate of Clarity XVIII - The Darkened Sea
    Distillate of Clarity XIX - Ring of Scale

    Distillate of Comprehension I - Gates of Discord
    Distillate of Comprehension II - Gates of Discord
    Distillate of Comprehension III - Gates of Discord
    Distillate of Comprehension IV - Gates of Discord
    Distillate of Comprehension V - Gates of Discord
    Distillate of Comprehension VI - Gates of Discord
    Distillate of Comprehension VII - Gates of Discord
    Distillate of Comprehension VIII - Gates of Discord
    Distillate of Comprehension IX - Gates of Discord
    Distillate of Comprehension X - Gates of Discord
    Distillate of Comprehension XI - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Comprehension XII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Comprehension XIII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Comprehension XIV - Seeds of Destruction
    Distillate of Comprehension XV - House of Thule
    Distillate of Comprehension XVI - Veil of Alaris
    Distillate of Comprehension XVII - Rain of Fear

    Distillate of Divine Healing I - No Restriction
    Distillate of Divine Healing II - No Restriction
    Distillate of Divine Healing III - No Restriction
    Distillate of Divine Healing IV - No Restriction
    Distillate of Divine Healing V - No Restriction
    Distillate of Divine Healing VI - No Restriction
    Distillate of Divine Healing VII - No Restriction
    Distillate of Divine Healing VIII - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Divine Healing IX - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Divine Healing X - The Planes of Power
    Distillate of Divine Healing XI - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Divine Healing XII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Divine Healing XIII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Divine Healing XIV - Seeds of Destruction
    Distillate of Divine Healing XV - House of Thule
    Distillate of Divine Healing XVI - Veil of Alaris
    Distillate of Divine Healing XVII - Rain of Fear
    Distillate of Divine Healing XVIII - The Darkened Sea
    Distillate of Divine Healing XIX - Ring of Scale

    Distillate of Health I - The Planes of Power
    Distillate of Health II - The Planes of Power
    Distillate of Health III - The Planes of Power
    Distillate of Health IV - The Planes of Power
    Distillate of Health V - The Planes of Power
    Distillate of Health VI - The Planes of Power
    Distillate of Health VII - The Planes of Power
    Distillate of Health VIII - The Planes of Power
    Distillate of Health IX - The Planes of Power
    Distillate of Health X - The Planes of Power
    Distillate of Health XI - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Health XII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Health XIII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Health XIV - Seeds of Destruction
    Distillate of Health XV - House of Thule
    Distillate of Health XVI - Veil of Alaris
    Distillate of Health XVII - Rain of Fear
    Distillate of Health XVIII - The Darkened Sea
    Distillate of Health XIX - Ring of Scale

    Distillate of Immunization I - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Immunization II - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Immunization III - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Immunization IV - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Immunization V - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Immunization VI - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Immunization VII - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Immunization VIII - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Immunization IX - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Immunization X - The Planes of Power
    Distillate of Immunization XI - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Immunization XII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Immunization XIII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Immunization XIV - Seeds of Destruction
    Distillate of Immunization XV - House of Thule
    Distillate of Immunization XVI - Veil of Alaris
    Distillate of Immunization XVII - Rain of Fear

    Distillate of Regeneration I - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Regeneration II - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Regeneration III - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Regeneration IV - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Regeneration V - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Regeneration VI - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Regeneration VII - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Regeneration VIII - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Regeneration IX - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Regeneration X - Ruins of Kunark
    Distillate of Regeneration XI - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Regeneration XII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Regeneration XIII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Regeneration XIV - Seeds of Destruction
    Distillate of Regeneration XV - House of Thule
    Distillate of Regeneration XVI - Veil of Alaris
    Distillate of Regeneration XVII - Rain of Fear

    Distillate of Replenishment I - No Restriction
    Distillate of Replenishment II - No Restriction
    Distillate of Replenishment III - No Restriction
    Distillate of Replenishment IV - No Restriction
    Distillate of Replenishment V - No Restriction
    Distillate of Replenishment VI - No Restriction
    Distillate of Replenishment VII - No Restriction
    Distillate of Replenishment VIII - No Restriction
    Distillate of Replenishment IX - No Restriction
    Distillate of Replenishment X - No Restriction
    Distillate of Replenishment XI - No Restriction
    Distillate of Replenishment XII - No Restriction
    Distillate of Replenishment XIII - No Restriction
    Distillate of Replenishment XIV - Seeds of Destruction
    Distillate of Replenishment XV - House of Thule
    Distillate of Replenishment XVI - No Restriction
    Distillate of Replenishment XVII - No Restriction
    Distillate of Replenishment XVIII - No Restriction
    Distillate of Replenishment XIX - No Restriction

    Distillate of Skinspikes I - Prophecy of Ro
    Distillate of Skinspikes II - Prophecy of Ro
    Distillate of Skinspikes III - Prophecy of Ro
    Distillate of Skinspikes IV - Prophecy of Ro
    Distillate of Skinspikes V - Prophecy of Ro
    Distillate of Skinspikes VI - Prophecy of Ro
    Distillate of Skinspikes VII - Prophecy of Ro
    Distillate of Skinspikes VIII - Prophecy of Ro
    Distillate of Skinspikes IX - Prophecy of Ro
    Distillate of Skinspikes X - Prophecy of Ro
    Distillate of Skinspikes XI - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Skinspikes XII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Skinspikes XIII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Skinspikes XIV - Seeds of Destruction
    Distillate of Skinspikes XV - House of Thule
    Distillate of Skinspikes XVI - Veil of Alaris
    Distillate of Skinspikes XVII - Rain of Fear

    Distillate of Spirituality I - The Shadows of Luclin
    Distillate of Spirituality II - The Shadows of Luclin
    Distillate of Spirituality III - The Shadows of Luclin
    Distillate of Spirituality IV - The Shadows of Luclin
    Distillate of Spirituality V - The Shadows of Luclin
    Distillate of Spirituality VI - The Shadows of Luclin
    Distillate of Spirituality VII - The Shadows of Luclin
    Distillate of Spirituality VIII - The Shadows of Luclin
    Distillate of Spirituality IX - The Shadows of Luclin
    Distillate of Spirituality X - The Planes of Power
    Distillate of Spirituality XI - Omens of War
    Distillate of Spirituality XII - The Serpent's Spine
    Distillate of Spirituality XIII - Secrets of Faydwer
    Distillate of Spirituality XIV - Seeds of Destruction
    Distillate of Spirituality XV - House of Thule
    Distillate of Spirituality XVI - Veil of Alaris
    Distillate of Spirituality XVII - House of Thule
    Distillate of Spirituality XVIII - The Shadows of Luclin
    Distillate of Spirituality XIX - Seeds of Destruction
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  2. Gidono Augur

    I'll get these items and recipes tagged for their expansions on alla.
  3. RandomStrategy Augur

    I love you, Ngreth.
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  4. RandomStrategy Augur

    I didn't necessarily mean to type that. It just kinda happened.
  5. Kahna Augur

    <3

    Though most of these things are still gated by the fact that the items can’t be purchased until PoP, but still, that’s no different than we had it before the changes.
  6. Nuggziee New Member

    Ngreth,

    A big thanks for taking the time to dig into this and finding a fair solution to bring distillates back.
  7. kdomg Journeyman

    Thank you!
  8. PathToEternity Augur

    I know some people will probably be disappointed that this will effect the first few eras of TLPs, but the effort you put into researching and establishing a rational standard for this pots makes this really easy for me to get behind personally.
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  9. Evenstar Lorekeeper

    This is probably one of the best things I've seen done on the TLPs. You guys really do care about the game, thank you.
  10. Ngreth Thergn Developer

    That something I can look into as well, but I did not have the time to address component availability. I have no ETA on that either though! It's a busy time for me right now... I'm likely to look at cultural first, then get back to this.
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  11. Sumonerr_Tunare Augur

    Thanks for all your effort here!
  12. HoodenShuklak Augur

  13. Baxter New Member

    This is awesome and a good compromise. Thanks so much!
  14. Darchon_Xegony Augur

    How is:

    [6919] Elixir of Healing X
    Target: Self
    Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
    Focusable: No
    Casting: 0s
    Duration: 30s (5 ticks) Song, Dispelable: Yes
    1: Increase Current HP by 702 per tick (Random: 635 to 769)
    Heals between #1 and @1 hit points every 6 seconds for up to %z.

    Less powerful than:

    [3475] Supernal Elixir
    Classes: CLR/62
    Skill: Alteration
    Mana: 480
    Target: Single
    Range: 100'
    Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
    Focusable: Yes
    Casting: 4s, Recast: 1.5s, Rest: 1.5s
    Duration: 24s+ (4 ticks) Song, Dispelable: Yes
    1: Increase Current HP by 600 per tick
    Fills your target's body with supernal elixir, healing #1 hit points every 6 seconds for %z.

    And same deal with:

    [6918] Elixir of Healing IX
    Target: Self
    Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
    Focusable: No
    Casting: 0s
    Duration: 30s (5 ticks) Song, Dispelable: Yes
    1: Increase Current HP by 299 per tick (Random: 270 to 328)
    Heals between #1 and @1 hit points every 6 seconds for up to %z.

    Vs.

    [1522] Celestial Elixir
    Classes: CLR/59
    Skill: Alteration
    Mana: 300
    Target: Single
    Range: 100'
    Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
    Focusable: Yes
    Casting: 4s, Recast: 1.5s, Rest: 1.5s
    Duration: 24s+ (4 ticks) Song, Dispelable: Yes
    1: Increase Current HP by 300 per tick
    Fills your target's body with celestial elixir, healing between #1 and @1 hit points every 6 seconds for %z.

    __________

    The HoT Potions have no place on TLP servers until PoR. They let every class cheaply and easily cover their own healing in many raid situations with light to moderate AEs where you'd typically need a priest to cover that group.

    Even the people who were outraged by the potion removal from the last patch agreed these HoT potions were far too powerful to be on the servers period to PoR.
  15. Kibanu Elder

    Sounds like a great compromise!
  16. Arrk Augur


    The spells benefit from focus effects and aa's the potions do not... you are still better off having clerics MGB these spells during raids.
  17. Risiko Augur

    That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure. I was under the impression that the vast majority of the distillate potions couldn't be made because their components do not drop nor are sold by vendors until we get to the Planes of Power.

    If the potions are being changed to being permitted to be made at certain expansions (such as Ruins of Kunark), then it would be great if the components to make them were added to alchemy supply vendors available in that era.

    I greatly appreciate all the work you have put in to this one Ngreth. Tradeskills mean a lot to many of us.

    A possibility to handling these components for the appropriate era might be to add an merchant to Innothule swamp that only starts spawning once Ruins of Kunark is opened on a server. It's pretty much the defacto place to go for purchasing alchemy supplies among Shamans in pre-Planes of Power eras. Just a thought.
  18. Darchon_Xegony Augur

    Yes the spell can focus, but they also cost time to cast and cost a decent amount of mana. The potions are 30s duration 2min reuse and instant. MGB CR stacks with these potions, so you can do both.

    Though yes, a Supernal Elixir cast by an AA'd geared Cleric will last longer and heal for a bit more, that's still a 600 mana Spell a cleric is casting. It's just way too powerful for these servers where people are already comically overpowered against the content.

    It would be like having a potion that's a clicky Strike of Solusek (640 mana spell) or Shock of Magic. I know my Cleric and Druid would love having an instant 3k Nuke clicky every 2 minutes. Because that's basically what these potions offer. Every class a damn near equivalent ability to the best priest HoT in game at that time. Or I suppose a DoT is a more apt comparison, so maybe a potion that clicks Blood of Thule or Swarming Death or Pox of Bertoxxulous instantly every 2 minutes that costs about 10-20pp to make.
  19. Darchon_Xegony Augur

    On this topic, the only spells that got modified were spells Shamans could use. Druids and Shamans share a fair number of Regeneration spells, but not all of them. The following 1-80 Druid Regeneration spells saw no change:

    Pack Regeneration
    Pack Chloroplast
    Regrowth of the Grove
    Oaken Vigor
    Blessing of Oak

    This leads to a situation in the case of the first three where the single versions do 40-50% more Regen than the group versions. Which I imagine is a simple oversight and can be corrected before this patch is pushed Live.
  20. discordkitty Augur

    This was really cool of you guys to go through everything and do this for us, especially so quickly after the outcry. Thanks team, it's appreciated!
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