If 2023 TLP is PvP TLE server

Discussion in 'Time Locked Progression Servers' started by uberkingkong, Mar 6, 2023.

  1. Stagentti Augur

    All that was proven in that statement is folks shouldn't go on and on about the problems a game had at launch if they didn't play it.
  2. Triconx Augur

    Yes, the tlp exploiters are the reason why expansions are released each year. Yet another deflection rather than an intelligible discussion. All you do is throw stuff at a wall and hop some sticks. Every statement you make is self created conjecture and borderline lies.
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  3. kenmei Augur



    the deity based server I was a part of, and contrary to what folks say here, it was the most populated server when it existed, pissing smedley off every day of its existence.
    Yes evil had an advantage, and yes they used it, but newts held rivervale as a base, the goods held qeynos. and the wars were in the Karanas, Kithicor, and the best being in HighPass. Game was still in infancy as they were about to release medals to reward and buy equipment with before the server shuttered. Evils outnumbered the other teams, but other than being able to bottleneck zones from the good/newts they had no real advantage other than numbers (cause everyidgit wanted to join their zerg). many times we took them out at their bottleneck with monks pretending to be dead behind them as they ran past em coming into zone from EC into kith. evils dont have tracking.
    also my buddy played a literal 6 box system 3 comps 3 laptops back in the day, 1 ranger 5 wiz. so yes i very well remember how the faction warserver went.
  4. Triconx Augur

    They aren't going to toss tens of thousands into R&D, infrastructure, etc for something that has no clear market. The current LONE pvp server is borderline dead. The forums are filled with the same handful people crying for PVP. A dozen at most. That's not enough to justify the money.

    This is a business, not a charity. They aren't going to just spin up a server because they can release another at the same time.

    The same reason the Camaro is getting the guillotine. There isn't a market for gimmicky muscle cars. Just like there is no market for Eq PVP.
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  5. kenmei Augur

    you doubling down is exactly what is expected. at what point is it harrassment, if you refuse to read words and comprehend them?
  6. kenmei Augur


    no one asked for a charity, we asked for the pvp tlp we can spend money on to start playing eq again.
    YOU implied its charity.
    just like YOU implied pvp has no draw.
    YOU are wrong.
    grats!
  7. Triconx Augur

    EQ pvp has no draw based on actual numerical evidence, not your conjecture. Devs aren't building a server based on "trust us, bro" or "build it then we will will come"
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  8. Waring_McMarrin Augur

    And do you realized that all known Everquest PvP servers are dead and have very little population compared to their PvE counterparts?

    And as has been mentioned many times before you can't keep judging Everquest based on other games and Everquest 2 is a different game with a different development team. Just because Everquest 2 did something doesn't mean it can or should be done in Everquest.



    If it really had more players on fewer servers why would they have ever merged them in the first place? The stated reason for merging at the time was due to the numbers needing to be consolidated onto a single server.

    And P99 is a great example of PvP numbers because if there was actually enough numbers to support it they could easily create a new server with the rules that you claim everyone is wanting.
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  9. Waring_McMarrin Augur

    Sounds like the PvP players are the problem if they think that corpse camping newbies is PvP. Based on what you are saying is the PvP players are what forced the removal of PvP because they couldn't stop from harassing other players and lowering the overall player base.
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  10. Waring_McMarrin Augur

    Because there is no evidence that it would actually draw in enough players to survive and evidence suggests that it would be dead on arrival. Making a new TLP server isn't free even if it is a standard already existing ruleset. All that is being asked is to show that there is a demand for PvP and that can't be done by making more threads asking for it.
  11. Waring_McMarrin Augur

    Last I read from the numbers released it was the most profitable revenue wise of all the games that Daybreak currently runs. It is doing well enough that they are able to keep releasing new expansions as well as new TLP servers.
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  12. Waring_McMarrin Augur

    If the factions are not balanced that shows that there is a major problem with the game. If one side keeps getting more and more players eventually the PvP aspect is going to die due to a lack of targets and it is effectively PvE
  13. Waring_McMarrin Augur

    And the amount of subscriptions in Everquest that currently play PvP are not enough to fund a new server. The PvP player base needs to step up and show Daybreak that they want PvP by actually playing PvP even if it isn't the perfect ruleset that they want. Daybreak isn't going to create a server on the hopes that it will be the perfect ruleset for enough people to make it profitable. If the excuse is that the current one isn't want they want why won't that be the same excuse on not playing or quitting if a TLP PvP server is made but with the "wrong" ruleset?
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  14. Goburs The Filthy Casualz Leader

    How would you suggest folks show interest then? Serious question.

    To be fair, Zek died a long time ago, like a good handful of live servers, and other TLP's. Again, what would be the harm? They fail like one of the other TLP's?

    The forums arent filled with people crying, it's filled with people who are asking for something. That's a big difference. You cry warriors should get plate first, other people want to try a new TLP that isn't like the rest.

    Also, they don't just "spin up servers"....I'm well aware of that. They do it after lots of planning, and each year, people ask for different stuff. BUT each year, folks ask for PvP. Doesn't need to be your cup of tea just because Jibb kills you each time you duel.
  15. Goburs The Filthy Casualz Leader

    I think the biggest thing people want, is something comparable to back when PvP was new. Not what's available now. Zek is washed out, but once held a huge population, and at times had 4-5 guilds at once in zones fighting just to get to a DZ or open world raid mob.

    You wonder why the folks asking for this server are often times on P99? Because that's the only place making an attempt at recreating those memories for people. I guarantee you if they "spun up a server" you'd be surprised by the influx of people who enjoy it and play full time there.
  16. Triconx Augur

    Assortment of ways:

    1. Literally just do what devs asked. Log onto a free server - Zek - on planned day after announcing the event everywhere and getting lots of attention to show there are thousands of people who want PVP.

    2. Take it one step further: Host PVP events on the current TLPs. You can coordinate things like guild wars, faction wars, etc within the Arena. This shows you're even a paying customer alongside dozens of others whom are also paying customers.

    3. Post year round and get more than the same select few people logging into different accounts.

    There are other ways as well. However, this mysterious giant PVP community just cannot be bothered with anything. They act like persecuted martyrs who seem to only care a couple weeks a year right before the servers are announced - well after the server ruleset has been determined by the company - and disappear the rest of the year only to pop out of their holes like Punxsutawney Phil again the following year.

    Almost every server provided swathes of revenue for the company. The only ones which probably didn't was Vaniki and Miragul, both of which had no precedence or empirical data to determine if they were going to be a success or not. They were both unknown territory for the time. Meanwhile, we see how lively the only PVP server is compared to the remaining 11 live PvE servers. It's not great, Bob.

    Based on actual evidence from both P99 and Live EQ, both of which are technically free, what gives the company hope the PVP TLP will be a success? If you cannot get people to play a free server, why should they expect people to pay for it?

    It's filled with the same people providing no real value. Just a bunch of conjecture, made up nonsense, lies, insults, conspiracy theories, etc.

    The same 12-20 people, yes. That's not nearly enough to justify a PVP server. If they cannot get enough people to even take a few minutes logging into Zek, posting every so often besides the month of March, why should they bother making a PVP server? It's based on empty promises and field of dreams slogans.
  17. Wordor Journeyman

    just make a red mischief server.
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  18. Waring_McMarrin Augur


    Do what the devs have requested and show interest by playing on Zek, sure it might not be the perfect server that you all want. If the devs can't see interest in a free server with claims that it is just because the rules aren't exactly what people want why should they expect you to play on a server with unknown rules?
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  19. Vewdue Elder

    That would have been the same as saying create a char on FV and play there and we'll consider a Free Trade TLP. You would have seen probably the same "Turn Out" as you did for the PvP server. But here we are and the Free Trade TLP's are probably the most successful ones ever.

    No one is logging into Zek to "Play" there. How many new people are even logging into any Live server and starting to play? No one is going to start fresh on a server when the lvl cap is 120 and the entire server population is max lvl, it's just not realistic or fun. That's the entire reason TLP's were started in the first place, to give people a chance to join a server without having to spend months to even get high enough to group with someone.
  20. Skuz I am become Wrath, the Destroyer of Worlds.

    Actually that was suggested plenty, but the forum output of people acking for it was from a much larger number of individuals, not the 10 or so forum evangelists of PVP who blather on about it constantly.

    A ten-thousand post thread made up of just 10 people pushing an idea is a whole lot less meaningful than a 500 post thread from 500 different people.
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