Monthly cost should discount the senior.

Discussion in 'The Veterans' Lounge' started by Veteran_BetaTester, Jun 5, 2022.

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  1. Veteran_BetaTester PIZZA!

    but, prestige though.
  2. Skrab East Cabilis #1 Realtor

    Not true, EQ has always had a subscription and the massive multiplayer was the selling point.

    Data harvesting happens at every level paid or free, there’s no escaping it.
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  3. Nennius Curmudgeon

    Bah, Early Bird special is an hour away and I still have one program to watch. Now where are my glasses?
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  4. Verily Tjark Augur

    How much are you paying per month for the internet to play EQ?
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  5. CatsPaws No response to your post cause your on ignore

    I'll bite. The internet portion is $45/month. And out of that I figure I use EQ about 50% of that so $25 a month for the connection.

    The rest is for normal email etc and other game system use. No movies or tv channels or anything paid per view on that. I can get that stuff free

    I don't qualify for the Senior discount on internet. :(
  6. Nennius Curmudgeon

    A question that hasn't been raised yet is a definition of senior citizen. Must nail the terms down here exactly before proceeding. Is it age? How many teeth are left? Percentage of scalp covered by hair? Number of trips to the bathroom each night? Ability to correctly answer trivia questions about 50's and 60's television shows? Size of prostate (for men of course) ?
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  7. Verily Tjark Augur

    There are government programs to reduce the cost of internet for those that qualify. Maybe something for the OP to look at. Assuming they are in the U.S.
  8. Nennius Curmudgeon

    Quite so, and ways to obtain subsidized food too. Some utilities will also offer reduced electricity rates for the indigent as well. We must gather together to help the truly needy.
  9. Iven Antonius Bayle

    A cost position that I totally had overseen in my last calculations. However most of us would pay for this anyway. But lets take CatsPaws $45/month and the 100 hours/month example again:
    45 / 730 * 100 = $6.16/month . For CatsPaws its even $25 which does mean that she does play about 187 hours/month or 6 hours/day. Big brother is watching you CatsPaws ! :p

    Subventioned prices like senior tickets and governmental programs are not a solution as this is pure socialism/communism which is the opposite of social and free. Generally this does make people dependent and does split societies into classes/castes which does produce negative emotions/energies and oppression which are the tools of every dictatorship. Money is just a toy and instrument of power for those that rule.

    For EQ it would be an easier solution to offer cheaper account models that are accessible to everyone instead of benefiting only selected players. Of course such accounts would had to be restricted just like yet or they won't make sense. I also want to note that both sides, DBG and the players do produce costs which can be directed fully onto the accounts. For DBG those are staff costs, bandwith traffic, servers, electricity, property/rent, taxes and some more. Those on the player side which I partially had listed in another thread, are MUCH higher (per account) than those of DBG or any other gaming company. Partially the costs on the player side are Daybreak's revenue and also profit. So they make use of your ressources to make profit. The difference is that you also do make use of their ressources but you might not make profit.

    So just rethink about your own worth again dear players and don't tell me that the prices are already very low. You and all the DBG employees are the substance of this game, it is not DBG itself or the profits that partially get moved to the investors ! I do not demand lower prices as McMarring is assuming, because DBG is not my company, I just suggest them as an addition for a win-win scenario.

    Some of you might had heard about the "working customer" and "prosumer" principles. Actually every player that does buy something from DBG and sometimes also those that don't, are working customers. If you help other players in the forums you are a working customer and also a prosumer. If you have costs for being able to access and play EQ, you are a working customer. When you use a shop (including online shops) or gas station with self-service you are a working customer.

    I do not complain. All I do is to analyze, reporting my analyzations and toughts, being creative and making suggestions which does mean that I am a non paid working customer and prosumer. In the last two years I did spent in average $2 monthly for marketplace stuff on two FTP accounts, so what ? I might not benefit from lower expansion and account prices myself but maybe I would spend more money if there would be better offers which actually are not available.

    What you call ridiculous claims about player side costs does just mean to me that you have problems to make yourself aware of those costs and accepting them as the reality. I have doubts if it will help but I still will give you another example to think about:

    In the same time where you currently play EQ you do produce costs and you also do spend money for the game which are additionally costs. If you instead would work and/or receive money from investments you would call that an income, right ? Both, income and expenses, are linked and bound to activities and their consumed time where they do get created. But you are currently blind on one eye because you don't see that playing EQ (a time bound activity) does produce extra costs/expenses for you which are not limited to the amount of money that you do tranfer to DBG. The more time you play EQ, the more costs are created and linked to that activity. If you just do nothing, you would also produce costs but they would be linked to "doing nothing" instead.

    Yawn and go on, those privacy rules are just sand into the eyes of the already blind. It might affect some companies but basically there is zero privacy with all those surveillance and web connections everywhere. If something is digital and connected to the web, like your computer, it is not private anymore. It would be a bad mistake to put trust and hope into laws and regulations (which are not laws) as the people behind them are the biggest problem. Here a quote from pope benedict from 2011-09-21 which is a quote itself: “Take away the law – then what else is a state as a great gang of robbers, Saint Augustine once said.”
    Five months later pope benedict got removed.
  10. Bigstomp Augur

    Drinks cost $14 in a bar last night (this was a bit steep, but still, follow my story).
    I could have a beer or pay for EQ for a month more or so.
    EQ is cheap entertainment.
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  11. Spacemonkey555 Augur

    No, see, according to the Ivenomics model of EQ cost/benefit analysis, you must realize that it was EQ that drove you to drink, and so technically if you get arrested on the way home for dui EQ cost you $10,000 and 2 weeks in jail this month. The more you know…
  12. MyShadower All-natural Intelligence


    *said while clutching pearl necklace* Would it not produce irritation whence sand infiltrates the eyes of the visually impaired?
  13. Waring_McMarrin Augur



    You are sure making a lot of posts with a lot of ridiculous arguments asking for a discount which sounds like complaining to me. Claiming that you have to make all types of purchases that you don't have to make. Claiming that all types of expenses that you have are from EQ even though you would have them without the game. Sounds like you are making purchases that are not needed as plenty of players are able to play without making a single marketplace purchase or only use the free DBC that they are given each month for subscribing.

    I am not saying you don't have problems with your bills but you can't claim those are related to EQ as you are still paying those bills even if you stop playing EQ. Rent, food, clothing, electricity, hygiene and other such costs are things that everyone has to deal with regardless of what entertainment that they play. As it appears you are currently free to play you don't have to pay anything for EQ which makes it really cheap.

    Also you need to stop making false claims about the choices you make when you play EQ, you have to make those same choices for anything you do. If the choice comes down to playing EQ and being short on money or working and having enough money the choice should be easy to make. Don't blame your loss of time to EQ when that is a result of anything you do.
  14. Loup Garou De loop de loop

    Certain posters are like politicians who live in a totally different reality than what the rest of us do. They have plenty of money and have no idea what its really like but swear they are knowledgeable about the issue. But last time they had to skip a starbucks? Hah
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  15. Waring_McMarrin Augur

    Some posters seem to want to make claims that EQ is an expensive hobby while making purchases that are completely optional and not required to play.
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  16. Iven Antonius Bayle

    It is up to you if you hang out in such a thieves' den. If you would had saved up your money you could had gone into a bar where a beer does cost $50. It would make EQ to appear even cheaper and the drinks will do the rest.

    Nah, it was just that he was sad because he didn't had the money to go into a noble bar because all money already had been blasted for cheap entertainment.
  17. Waring_McMarrin Augur

    Just like it is up to you on how much you spend on EQ, there are already low cost options for playing and you can play for free if you so choose.

    Going to a bar isn't something that you are required to do.
  18. Iven Antonius Bayle

    I never aked for a discount, you can quote me if you want. I just think that a lot ogres here do not understand the concept of suggestions and many other things even after explaining them several times in many ways.

    The reason why it is expensive. :D Looks like you just proved yourself that EQ is an expensive hobby because ~74% are paying for AllAccess which is totally optional and unneeded for playing. Even more free and silver account players do buy stuff from the marketplace which does increase the optional payment rate even further up to 99%. How would you finance EQ if everybody would act like you and buying nothing if I may ask ? The game could not exist without optional not required payments.
  19. Waring_McMarrin Augur

    Sure seemed like you where when you kept complaining about how expensive EQ was with all the purchases you claimed you had to make but don't and all the expenses you claim are associated with EQ but are not.
  20. The real Sandaormo Augur

    OK, Magically you get $5 off a month being a seasoned citizen. What are you spending your sudden windfall on, you must have big plans.
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