New casino for Luclin Part 2

Discussion in 'The Veterans' Lounge' started by Benito, May 11, 2022.

  1. Benito EQ player since 2001.

    Daybreak has to regulate software for what it could do and not what the user would do.
  2. MacDubh TABLES!!!

    No one is talking about Daybreak but you. YOU generalize, and then call out others for the same behavior. You are a massive hypocrite, but I wouldn't want to derail this thread so please continue.
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  3. Benito EQ player since 2001.

    The point about automation is the concerned posed by the threat of an influx of platinum from a casino. I made the point that automated farmers will continue to automate regardless of whether they implement a casino or not - due to the existence of Krono and other tradable items of value. (Rule-abiding farmers are limited by time and pose less of a threat to supply). Automators should be perma-banned to hit all bases.

    Daybreak has set rules based on the the capability of software (i.e. automation) and not what a user would promise to do. What stops a "user" from changing his/her behavior from something more benign ("xping but destroying loot") to something more malicious (automated farming)?

    I don't name-and-shame specific individuals. I use logical applications to form my overarching arguments. I take pride in attacking the software only. My goal is to strengthen the rationale in maintaining the anti-cheat rules.
  4. Flatchy Court Jester


    As you interpret them...:p
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  5. Fenthen aka Rath

    I just want a casino system with a 500m minimum buy-in.
  6. Laeadern Elder

    Honestly I don't have a problem with that. Why is it that high end guilds always seemingly want to restrict lower tier players to lower end gear. Give them something to strive towards rather than just beat them down with a stick. Just make it rather rare so it doesn't overly flood the market and I think we'd be good honestly.
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  7. Windance Augur

    Its a slow EQ day so I'll throw my 0.02 into the mix.

    It costs ~ 300k-500k to fully outfit a level 120 character. You have rk1 spells from the vendor, TS mats, and visible gear mats.

    I've heard multiple returning players complaining they couldn't afford to even buy their spells off what they were making while XP'ing.

    So if you want to reduce the total amount of plat in the game you need to do it in such a way that it doesn't hurt those who are struggling "to pay the rent".

    The flip side is anything that is "so good" that people need to spend hours/days farming are going to turn to automation because grinding for uber rare stuff is what automation is good at.

    If you truly want to make it so RMT isn't a thing, make EVERYTHING no drop, no trade. ( Even then people would probably pay someone else to play their characters so .... even that isn't really possible )
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  8. Benito EQ player since 2001.

    The same people who promote automation software also run RMT sites (forums). They predominantly sell Krono, accounts, chase loot, cosmetics, and other rare items.

    The no trade argument addresses chase loot. Daybreak would need still need to enforce the rules against automation for the other facets of RMT.

    Automators have an unfair advantage at purchasing power (stockpiling of wealth to leverage against finite supply of goods). If everyone followed the rules, power acquisition wouldn't be as controversial as it is now.
  9. Spacemonkey555 Augur

    Tbh if a new player is unwilling to buy a krono to sell and can’t manage to muster up the effort to farm enough plat to buy their spells, they are in the wrong game and you need to redirect them to some other game asap. They will not be happy here.
  10. Windance Augur

    The root problem from the first post is: There is too much plat floating around ... so ...

    How about they implement a plat tax instead?

    Maybe each month (patch) they just remove 10% of each players plat.

    ( No I'm not seriously suggesting this )
  11. Benito EQ player since 2001.

    A casino would be an optional tax (plat sink) in the same way states use lotteries to fund public education.
  12. Windance Augur

    I think you just want them to make a new casino, and are using the argument that it would be good for the game as a "plat sink".

    Let me ask this question. How would this casino be any different from the ones that are currently in the game?

    https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=47492
  13. Benito EQ player since 2001.

    The new casino would be based in the next expansion with in-era prizes (see my original post on the scope and alternative acquisition).

    Thus far, EQ1 has not suffered from the same rates of inflation as EQ2. Marcia and other plat sinks have probably played a role.

    It would be smart to proactively destroy plat in a non-compulsory way with a bit of lore and entertainment value.
  14. Waring_McMarrin Augur

    It is more about how the devs would want gear to enter the game and I see no indication that they want people to be able to purchase gear with plat without having to do anything to earn it. Granted they could have to spend a lot of plat to do it but I don't think that matters to the devs.
  15. Waring_McMarrin Augur

    Players should not have to spend real money to outfit their toons and just mindlessly farming plat/items doesn't make for an enjoyable game.
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  16. Waring_McMarrin Augur

    A casino is a great idea, it just won't have a major impact on the plat supply.
  17. Benito EQ player since 2001.

    Scimitar of the Mistwalker, Fungus Covered Staff, Holgresh Elder Beads, and Glowing Drogmor Drum were all very powerful items during Shadows of Luclin and on.

    While I agree the devs may not support a new recurring itemization model, they may agree with a sparingly implemented casino for lore and entertainment value as long as the 4 Fight Fire upgrades are also obtainable alternatively through content (rare mission chest drop).
  18. Benito EQ player since 2001.

    For the sake of avoiding a 1v1 derail, we can agree to disagree.

    You are absolutely entitled to your opinion (sans data that contradicts logical sequence of events). You are also free to ignore my thread if it bothers you.
  19. Waring_McMarrin Augur

    I have every right to respond to suggestions with what I see as problems, just as you suggested that I can ignore your threads you can ignore my replies. You don't need to respond to everyone who comments on your posts.
  20. Benito EQ player since 2001.

    Unless you can provide a logical explanation or objective data, it is mere prima facie (face value) opinion.

    You are 100% entitled to express your opinion (and that’s all it is really) even though you try to frame it as unquestionable truth.