Dev reply please - Stonks

Discussion in 'Time Locked Progression Servers' started by HoodenShuklak, Jun 15, 2021.

  1. Accipiter Old Timer


    That is patently false.

    https://www.icrg.org/sites/default/files/oec/pdfs/ncrg_fact_sheet_gambling_disorders.pdf

    The answer is 1%. Quadruple it, if you don't like the number. That brings it all the way up to 4%. Even if you use the 5% from the UK report, there's no way 5% of the gamblers make up 60% of the casino's revenue. The only way that is possible is if a large majority of the 5% are whales. If they are whales then they can afford it, can't they? They can certainly afford to seek treatment.

    Again, I'm not defending gambling. I'm saying that you and Niskin are taking the same approach to gambling as the anti-boxers take to EQ. All emotion and no logic.
  2. Accipiter Old Timer


    Nah, just uninformed on this particular subject. No harm in that. Opinions generally don't hurt anyone. :)
  3. Skuz I am become Wrath, the Destroyer of Worlds.

    I'm basing my numbers on an official UK report -

    https://publications.parliament.uk/...ling industry spends £,at risk of becoming so.

    You dismissing that as all emotion and no logic is not a logical response it is a deflection.

    Your link was a report from the NCRG

    The International Center for Responsible Gaming (ICRG), formerly known as the National Center for Responsible Gambling (NCRG), is an American nonprofit group that funds scientific research on gambling addiction. ... The group is a wing of the American Gaming Association, the casino industry's main trade group.

    Yeah the NCRG is directly tied to the industry, it operates on behalf of the industry, if you think you can trust their numbers I have a bridge to sell you. The gambling industry is very powerful and has a very well organised army of lobbyists - AKA political financial muscle.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Center_for_Responsible_Gaming#cite_note-Salon_article-5

    While NCRG leaders say they fund independent science, it's not a coincidence that the science aligns so well with the interests of the casinos. It's not that gambling executives are tampering with research findings, or scientists are skewing results. Rather, gaming executives are drawing extravagant conclusions from the studies. By trumpeting these conclusions, the gaming industry is helping casinos gain a legal foothold across the country -- and covering up the ways casinos profit from gambling addiction

    60% of gambling income from 5% of the gambling population is probably the truest reflection of the problem yet seen.

    The study in the link you posted is both massively outdated, has serious problems in study methodology and has credibility issues due to industry ties.
  4. Skuz I am become Wrath, the Destroyer of Worlds.

    Additional info:

    This is the 1999 report that was industry tied - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4459587/

    From - https://mn.gov/dhs/assets/2020-02-compulsive-gambling-bhd_tcm1053-445462.pdf

    2017 findings of studies conducted in other jurisdictions estimate that between 15 and 33 percent of gambling revenue are generated by individuals with problem gambling

    From - http://www.easg.org/media/file/conf...ons/Vrijdag/16.30-18.00/1/robert_williams.pdf

    This study used a modified study methodology to look at the problem in an attempt to gain a more reliable look at the problem and it found:

    Alberta Alberta
    – Estimated Estimated 39% of Alberta gaming revenue of Alberta gaming revenue
    derived from moderate and severe problem derived from moderate and severe problem
    gamblers gamblers

    „ Ontario Ontario
    – Estimated Estimated 35% of Ontario gaming revenue of Ontario gaming revenue
    derived from moderate and severe problem derived from moderate and severe problem
    gamblers

    So we have:
    A 2020 UK report showing 60% of income from problem gambling
    A 2005 Canadian report showing 30-40% of gambling income is obtained from problem gamblers
    A 1999 USA report showing 15% of gambling income is obtained from 0.5 to 1% of problem gamblers

    But the USA report is from 1999 and from an industry affiliated organisation and I beleive this cannot be trusted whatsoever since it serves the needs of the industry.

    A 2004 report showed problem gambers in the USA to be 2.5% and you should bear in mind the massive growth of gambling in all countries since 1999 when the advent of the internet spurred enormous expansion & growth of the industry in the years since.

    Facts point to the problem being far larger than the industry is prepared to admit, pathological gambling numbers are rising, while problems in the study methodlogy employed and in the definition sused by various governments to assess the problem are not standardised.
  5. Skuz I am become Wrath, the Destroyer of Worlds.

    VIP schemes show an even larger issue

    2% of VIP customers accounted for 83% of revenue from the gambling commision study

    https://www.theguardian.com/society...s-industrys-reliance-on-loss-making-customers

    The Gambling industry absolutely exploits problem gamblers and pays mere lip-service to providing any help to them spending only 0.4% of their income or less on funding help schemes & research while making a massive and disprortionate amount of their profits from vulnerable players.
  6. HekkHekkHekk Augur

    Wtf does this have to do with tlp elf simulation?
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  7. Niskin Clockwork Arguer


    This thread is about:
    a) crypto currencies
    b) metallurgy and chemistry
    c) gambling

    Pick one, you'll still be on-topic.
  8. Jumbur Improved Familiar

    Accendo, seems to be ok with threads, that flows from topic to topic, as long as people behave.

    Thats not a bad thing imo. :)

    But an actual Off Topic section would be nice too.
  9. Captain Video Augur

    Our friend with rust on the brain seems to have conceded all his arguments.
  10. Niskin Clockwork Arguer


    Brains can't rust, unless you are the Tin Man. Wait, can tin rust? Was my childhood a lie? Was the lion even cowardly? Maybe he was just shy...
  11. Captain Video Augur


    One current line of research into the causes and prevention of Alzheimer's has to do with excessive build up of oxidants of iron in the brain, causing the creation of free radicals in brain tissue, and a variety of unintended chemical reactions, referred to collectively in the research as "oxidative stress". I am not an expert in this field. However, I have seen the term "brain rust" used in published papers and mass media articles about Alzheimer's studies.
  12. Niskin Clockwork Arguer

    I've heard about that, so of course I'm wrong again, and I probably knew it before I posted. Just wanted to be funny, but facts got in the way. :D

    Understanding the cause of Alzheimer's would be really great. Is this a fourth official topic for this thread? Or can we include this under metallurgy/chemistry?
  13. Captain Video Augur

    I just levelled my current main on Thornblade, I have to go back to playing the game for a while.
  14. Accipiter Old Timer


    It's not rust it's oxidation. I've been told I have oxidation of the brain. No cure yet.
  15. Strawberry Augur

    Another cryptocurrency raid, this time in the UK, where criminal gangs are using crypto to launder money.

    Also multiple arrests of individuals in the US by the IRS.

    Behind cryptocurrencies are large criminal enterprises and individuals not paying taxes.

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  16. Strawberry Augur

    More police raids in India and other countries with the help of the FBI.

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  17. Accipiter Old Timer


    This sort of thing will only increase.
  18. Accipiter Old Timer

    Actually, now I'm curious. Let's say the US DEA seizes $1 million in cash in a drug raid. The cash is held in evidence until the trial is over. Then what happens to it? I assume it gets funneled back into the economy as police, FBI, etc. use the money for operating expenses. But what about seized cryptocurrency? It's going to be taken out of circulation, isn't it? It can't be seized unless you have the hash, key, whatever. Hmmm...
  19. Skuz I am become Wrath, the Destroyer of Worlds.

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/ar...pic-metals-in-patients-brains-may-offer-clues

    Elemental Iron (as in the highly reactive kind that has not been combined with other elements) has been found in tiny amounts in the amyloid plaques typical of alzheimers & other degenerative brain disorders.

    How it got there is a mystery though.

    The other things I've seen about such illness connect gingivitis to plaque formation, people with poor gum health having a high correlation for neuro-degenertaive disorders and the discovery of gingivitis toxins (gingipains) in the amyloid plaques.

    https://www.nia.nih.gov/news/large-...sis led by,the Journal of Alzheimer's Disease.