ToFS Raid 1 Difficulty / Mechanics concerns

Discussion in 'The Veterans' Lounge' started by Mazame, Apr 15, 2020.

  1. Maedhros High King

    Have you tried simply not doing the raid?
    Your first post about it sounded like a total whinefest. Then your reply to me you're trying to puff your chest.
    So which is it? Is the raid so stupid that you want the devs to delete the raid, or are you a hardass that chews up all the raids that get thrown at you without any effort?
    'cause I am kinda leaning to the first here if a 15-20 minute raid produces that kind of reaction.
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  2. Dewey Augur

    The raid is stupid and should be discarded. Not because it's hard.

    You can zerg it easily as my original post explains. Also you can do it with a half awake raid force and half bots. I don't get where I said it was hard.

    This is inkuta. It doesn't matter how easy it is. It matters did X people stand in one spot? Yes they did. Okay you get 60 coins.

    The raid is stupid. The raid is easy. The raid should be deleted. Does that clarify it for you. The raid is poorly designed and lacks individual contributions.
  3. Maedhros High King

    Or you could not zerg it, and perform the raid the correct way and get your coins in an efficient manner.
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  4. enclee Augur

    If, we’re deleting raids please add Griklor to the front of the line.
  5. Dewey Augur

    Like I said in the post. We didn't do it this way, but anyone could zerg it. If you want to zerg it, here's how. Anyways, doing it the correct way doesn't make it more enjoyable.

    Here is what I said... You can clearly see how I explained how to zerg it, and that we did not.

    Also you can bind right outside. So think of it like Naggy/vox raid. Bind outside and just say ready to come right back and charge it.(We did not bind right outside, however, I am saying that it is an option and what I would suggest to do) Shouldn't be any guild that has any problem doing it with this strat.
  6. Maedhros High King

    Its a very easy/forgiving expansion bud. I suggest you participate in beta this year and try to make sure the raids are harder next time if that's what you actually want.
    After Mearatas a lot of higher end players did not speak up too much during last summer when the "TBL is too hard" people were having their run of the forums.
    Hopefully this year we will get an expansion thats better balanced.
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  7. Axxius Augur

    Now I'm curious to see how it goes for you next time. If you encounter a different RNG roll, exhaust one of the boss hp pools early, and have to wait for the other type of mobs to spawn until enrage - will you still be telling others to "perform the raid the correct way" ;)
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  8. Dewey Augur

    I don't think it's really random. I think that there can only be so many spawns up at a time. You have to pull all mobs, even the one's that you don't kill. If you tank the non-restless mobs(and don't damage them) then they depop faster and you'll get other mobs. If you just leave them in a room to despawn; then yes your dependent on a rng... I could be wrong, but there appears that there are only a total number of mobs available in the zone at a time. You have to kill one to spawn one. If your not also pulling and tanking the non-restless mobs then you rely too much on the rng.

    Yes, the mechanic that I see is pull a mob and do nothing to it. I am so happy to have a game where doing nothing is the perfered thing to do.
  9. Axxius Augur

    We pull and kill them all as fast as they spawn. Yet we got a crapload of specters and not enough restless room spawns last kill. And 2 other guilds reported earlier than they got the opposite: craload of room spawns and not enough specters. Since it's not really possible to miss the shades, I think you are wrong and it's all about RNG.
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  10. Axxius Augur

    ...
    Waaaaait a second... I just realized that you are in the same guild as the twitch streamer Zaknaffein, and > this here < is the video of your TOFS raid you are referring to above.

    So you only say that you beat it in 15 min, and behave like everybody who claims that it's RNG is not doing the raid correctly. Did you forget to mention that you wiped on your first attempt before that? ;)

    From Zaknaffein's video it looks like you ran out of time before you've spawned enough specters. The boss enraged at 14% because at the 20 min mark you still needed 1 more specter. And then on your next attempt the RNG was more favorable, and you beat it in 15 min.

    Wiping when RNG is bad and winning when it's good is hardly "getting your coins in an efficient manner".
  11. Maedhros High King

    Yes Zak is in my guild and when he is online he very nearly always is Twitching. I hope you enjoy the show!
    On Our first attempt after the latest round of changes to the raid, we killed a bunch of non-restless mobs and badly mismanaged our restless chill. The RNG had nothing whatsoever to do with our fail.
    On our second attempt we corrected our issues and beat it easily. But if it makes you feel better, ya it was totally just good RNG.
    I will be sure to keep you updated with our times since this appears to be a very serious issue.
  12. Axxius Augur

    You killed a couple of non-restless room spawns and had to kill more restless ones to compensate. But the last 2 mobs you needed to unlock the boss were 2 specters. They just didn't spawn until it was too late.

    You didn't really mis-managed the cold dot. Its ranks accelerate with time. It was always so, and the change in the patch made it even faster. The longer you take the harder it is to avoid getting the high ranks.

    Zaknaffein's video basically confirms that RNG matters a lot in the current version of that raid.
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  13. Maedhros High King

    There are definitely lots of mechanics and components to raids that we never learn about because our dps is pretty high. I had no idea that the longer the event goes along, the faster your ranks of Restless Chill accumulate. Who knew?
  14. Bigstomp Augur

    I personally find the raid annoying.
    If they were going to use skating around the ice mechanics there could have been much more fun ways to do that.
    I played hockey for a long time and have also done curling. The ice could have been used in much more fun ways.

    The event (after the change after the change) does not seem horrible. Although one I'd gladly skip if it didn't lock 2 other events behind it.

    Edit: I do find it a bit telling that some raid forces are skipping to the easy T3 raids vs doing this raid. Something is off with the T1/T2/T3 difficulty progression.
  15. Lisard Silly

    It spikes the stacks if you mess up the 33% center count.
    It Speeds up the Stacks past enrage

    Split your 6 dps groups, 3 in rooms to start (which converge on which ever room spawns) and 3 groups in middle spanking spectres (if no spectres up range the halls) OR if your tanks are good enough, drag the mobs to the threshold to center so center groups can melee the adds from center without messing up the center count.

    if your hitting enrage, send caster groups to Rooms and have all melee chillin in the middle.

    MTO's can chill in center when their rooms are not up

    MTO's can kite non restless in a circle inside the rooms (makes it harder for people to accidently kill them as they are out of Line of Sight of everyone running room to room and to the people in center)

    Call for Swaps At stack 5

    if you RNG spawns a bunch of Non restless @ start, just murderface them all asap no point in leaving them up, boss is 100% hp no sense in wasting time kiting them or waiting for them to despawn.


    Utilize stuns, all the stuns, BST/MAGE pet stuns are hella Juicy can split a pet up on each hallway to help stun lock mobs helps tanks from getting rounded


    oh one more thing, stay off the walls in the center...that counts as being in a room.

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  16. Tolzol Augur

    Sadly this always seems to be the case which really makes no damn sense. It really would be nice if they would make t1 the easy raids, t2 moderately tougher and t3 hard each year. Last year was only time they got it right in a long time
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  17. Brats New Member

    I'm pretty sure by now people have figured this one out and have killed it. Now the only question to debate is "do I stab myself in the eye with a pencil or join raids tonight when this is our first target."

    It's amazing how this raid went from I guess I have to do it; to whom ever thought this was a good idea needs a lobotomy.
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  18. Axxius Augur

    Can't really blame anybody for skipping TOFS and going straight to Derpakor and Avatard. There is no progression or flagging, and sadly no difficulty either. 7 of the 9 raids are all T1, and only 2 can qualify as 'maybe T2' (TOFS 1 and Velk).
  19. Jennre Band Leader

    But then you have to live with the shame of zerging.
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  20. enclee Augur

    I think this point doesn’t get enough attention. It happens every expansion that the difficulty is reversed between tiers.