Monk crit chance?

Discussion in 'The Veterans' Lounge' started by SHmoob, Nov 21, 2019.

  1. SHmoob New Member

    Well that's pretty interesting considering the two top 10 guilds I'm pretty familiar with aren't recruiting monks for the exact reasons I'm speaking of. But keep on going.
  2. Tolzol Augur

    I agree. We should delete them so i can finally quit playing tbh!
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  3. Smokezz The Bane Crew

    And how many do they have already? Or should guilds just add what you're playing and have a group of Bard, Shaman, Monk, Monk, Monk, Monk?
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  4. SHmoob New Member


    One has one monk who's been in the guild since its inception years ago, the other has 2. We're not such dead weight that guilds are going to kick us out when we've become friends & family, c'mon man :p it's just harder for us to get in these days.

    This isn't even my main point, my main point is that ze balance is bad.
  5. Lisard Silly

    group 1-9, Shaman, Bard, Beastlord, Berserker, Berserker, Shadow Knight
  6. Cicelee Augur


    But mod rods are raid defining and game changing!!1!
  7. Smokezz The Bane Crew

    Drop them on the ground... lots of them.
  8. Nedrom Augur

    Thanks for parsing the changes. I think your reply is the only real relevant one out of 4 pages of bickering about non-monks.
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  9. p8aa Elder

    I had a look at the top 10 roster that I could look at.
    Machin Shin has 1 monk applicant atm, with 4 monks FM yet in the guild, they marked monk recrutment as low, and they say they won't close the door to any exceptional player in his class.
    Vahallah looking for high skilled monk, per their frontpage reading
    Triton's recrutment for monk is set to low, so probably high skilled monk too, 3 monks FM on the roster
    Reckless Ascension has monk set to low too, they have 1 monk applicant and 3 monks FM in the roster
    Shadows of Doom has 1 monk on their roster, marked as inactive, they are looking for DPS classes.
    Scarlet Vengeance has 1 monk applicant, with 3 monks FM in their roster.

    To the OP, has you apped to a high end raiding guild, got denied , and getting angry ? Because to me it looks like monk's situation in high end raiding guilds is not as bad as you claim it is.., aka if you are a high skilled monk, you will find high end raiding guilds opportunities right now.

    Also, monks bring some ADPS utility, like their weapon decrease delay thing (playing from memory), aren't they part of some of the best melee DPS raid set up ?
  10. SHmoob New Member

    No, I didn't app to a high end raiding guild and get denied, and that really isn't the main point I'm trying to make here.

    I like the competitiveness of EQ; I like competing on the parse and seeing if there are things I can tweak to get a little higher. As it stands, there's no competition. I get beat by 5 or 6 zerks every time handily. It's just not as fun as a true competition, and I'm not doing anything else that I feel is useful. I enjoy monk, it's a cool class, and I've put waaay too much time into it to reroll entirely (I do have 6 zerker boxes just so I can experience some of the sick deeps). I just want to either be able to a.) compete for the top spot on the parse or b.) actually be useful in some other way.

    To your other point, monks bring about the same ADPS utility via Master's Synergy as rogues or zerkers bring. It's nowhere near what a ranger/shaman/bard/whatever brings, just a very slight DPS boost and certainly not necessary. You'd have far more DPS in a group with 2 berserkers than a monk/zerker combo.
  11. InnerDruid New Member


    Rogues can do more damage, if they can hit from behind. And they probably should do more, but only if they work at it. We have a rogue who routinely came in ahead of me (and still does) more often than not, but he was the only one, and he had to work at it as hard as I did to do it, the other rogues must not have wanted it badly enough.

    Then we also had monks that were doing only a quarter of my damage. Fixed that, but it's taken years (and a couple of new monks).

    Berserkers we cannot find so I can't compare them. There simply are not any unguilded ones to be got. The last one we had tried hard, but he was past 70 irl and his hands finally hurt too much to keep playing. For the same reason, his dps was never spectacular.
  12. Lisard Silly

    /GU Combined: Icebound Avatar of War in 8037s, 46,571.3m @5794615 | BERDERPER + pets 2,417.1m@(304.9k in 7928s) {XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX} | Lisard (hi im monk)2,349.4m@(296.0k in 7937s) {XXXXXXXXXX76} | ROGUE 2,206.0m@(275.0k in 8023s) {XXXXXXXXXXX} | NECRO + pets 2,107.0m@(265.3k in 7942s) {6XXXBXXXXXXB} | NECRO 2,038.8m@(258.3k in 7893s) {X6XXXXXX} | BERDERPER + pets 1,983.4m@(250.1k in 7932s) {XXXXXXXXXX} | BERDERPER + pets 1,921.6m@(245.5k in 7826s) {XXXXXXXXXXXX} | MAGE + pets 1,778.6m@(225.6k in 7885s) {XXXXXXXXXX} | NECRO + pets 1,734.7m@(218.1k in 7953s) {XXXBX} | MONK 1,641.7m@(207.2k in 7924s) {XXXXXXXXX}


    this was combine parses of our Kael practice on beta tonight (2 Derakors (1st wipe at 2% ;P) and 3 AoW's (30% wipes) wut the problem is? im a monk. sure its prolly not the best or ideal disc rotations b/c we was learning, but i hold my guild members to high standards and expect they are doing their bestest on every learning attempt.

    but oh noes insert random response here on why silly monk is 2nd place on beta parse '____'

    Both of these below parses are the last 2 burns B4 the AA changes . We have been busy with Beta so i dont have any Post Change Parse to link (maybe tuesday, and ill see where its at then and give ya an update =P)

    /GU Rustbottom, Grinder of Gears in 254s, 3,311.8m @13038735 | BERDERPER + pets 186.7m@(746.6k in 250s) {G} | BERDERPER+ pets 166.7m@(680.3k in 245s) | Lisard 162.1m@(661.5k in 245s) | BERDERPER + pets 158.1m@(635.0k in 249s) | BERDERPER + pets 151.9m@(600.5k in 253s) {D} | BEASTLORD + pets 151.1m@(604.4k in 250s) {G} | NECROMANGER + pets 148.4m@(600.6k in 247s) {G} | MONK 127.5m@(514.3k in 248s) | MAGE + pets 116.4m@(469.5k in 248s) | WIZARD + pets 111.2m@(451.9k in 246s) {G}


    /GU Rustbottom, Grinder of Gears in 171s, 3,285.2m @19211627 | BERDERPER + pets 150.2m@(888.8k in 169s) {7} | BERDERPER 149.0m@(892.2k in 167s) {G} | RANGER + pets 137.8m@(815.2k in 169s) {G} | BERDERPER + pets 129.1m@(759.5k in 170s) {G} | BERDERPER + pets 126.3m@(738.6k in 171s) | ROGUE 123.2m@(724.5k in 170s) | Lisard 117.6m@(708.2k in 166s) {G} | BEASTLORD + pets 112.7m@(663.0k in 170s) {G} | WIZARD 112.4m@(716.0k in 157s) {G} | BERDERPER + pets 109.5m@(640.6k in 171s) {DG} | MAGE + pets 102.9m@(663.6k i ...


    we are monks. we wont ever beat a elite berserker. but we can get pretty close, and honostly chances are they fked up somewhere in their rotation.

    insert random excuse about GMM being laggy here '____'

    okay heres the other burn mob from the week before the AA changes (same event)

    /GU Interminable Lightness of Being in 47s, 334.6m @7119691 | Lisard (omgi beatdaberskerps)32361k@(829.8k in 39s) | BERDERPER + pets 21055k@(489.6k in 43s) | Rogue 17153k@(408.4k in 42s) | beastlord + pets 16899k@(375.5k in 45s) | Ranger 15473k@(368.4k in 42s) | Magician + pets 15368k@(357.4k in 43s) | Ranger 14594k@(331.7k in 44s) | Berderper + pets 14298k@(386.4k in 37s) | Berderper 12472k@(337.1k in 37s) | Beastlord + pets 12245k@(298.7k in 41s) | Ranger 11870k@(312.4k in 38s) | Mage + pets 10593k@(264.8k in 40s) |

    /GU Effortless Eruption of Spirit in 72s, 1,303.0m @18097263 | Berderper + pets 84961k@(1,231.3k in 69s) {7} | Bederper 82228k@(1,227.3k in 67s) | Lisard 61892k@(1,014.6k in 61s) | berderper + pets 59798k@(892.5k in 67s) | rogue 57301k@(818.6k in 70s) | berderper 54396k@(989.0k in 55s) {7} | berderper + pets 54354k@(787.7k in 69s) | wizard + pets 49443k@(760.7k in 65s) {G6} | beastlord + pets 49314k@(782.8k in 63s) | beastlord + pets 48051k@(667.4k in 72s) | rogue 46266k@(660.9k in 70s) {D} | Ranger + pet ...


    so as you can see in the TBL parses (pre AA change) and the Beta Kael raid from tonight...monks are just fine, you need to settle down in wanting to outparse a pro zerker. and just accept the fun in competing with everyone else thats not a berderper


    this is my personal best from TBL, again pre AA changes with ToV (/GU Effortless Eruption of Spirit in 52s, 1,298.0m @24960836 | #3 Lisard 64525k@1,240.9k (1,372.9k in 47s)
  13. Zolav Augur

    Lisard, Those class positions in those Parses look VERY similar to our guild (Triton) minus the fact we only have 2 zerkers and 2-3 monks (was 4 but one went bye bye). And all our dps can ball so you gotta be on your toes 24/7

    Rustbottom, Grinder of Gears in 222s, 3,300.7m @14868144 | zerk 162.9m@(747.3k in 218s) | ranger 151.5m@(691.6k in 219s) |monk 151.1m@(693.3k in 218s) | zerk 141.5m@(649.2k in 218s) | rogue 137.7m@(634.4k in 217s) |monk 134.3m@(613.3k in 219s) | druid (Wtf!)+ pets 126.3m@(590.3k in 214s) |ranger 124.6m@(569.1k in 219s) |rogue 119.3m@(560.0k in 213s) | rogue118.6m@(543.9k in 218s)

    Effortless Eruption of Spirit in 56s, 1,295.4m @23131638sdps | Zerk 80073k@(1,668.2k dps in 48s) | zerk 71021k@(1,420.4k dps in 50s) | monk 70974k@(1,339.1k dps in 53s) | rogue 61100k@(1,222.0k dps in 50s) | rogue 60788k@(1,215.8k dps in 50s) | ranger 49405k@(932.2k dps in 53s) | wizzy 47075k@(960.7k dps in 49s) | monk 44131k@(939.0k dps in 47s) |

    This is fairly typical... our monks may not beat the zerks but its DAMN close.. and they come ahead sometimes too, I just cant find any parses (had a small pool to pull from most logs are deleted)
    Monks wanna be top dps I get that, but they are so awesome all around and can still bring the heat? Shoot... I have endless respect for that class, it seems like you have to be pretty skilled to be a really good monk.
  14. Zolav Augur


    I second this sentiment haha
  15. Tolzol Augur

    I just wanna point out that I’m super jealous with how many berderpers you have.
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  16. SHmoob New Member

    You're getting beat by 200k DPS in some of those parses. Same story for me on longer fights. I guess you're fine with it, and that's cool, but I'm not; I play to raid, and I could be doing more for my raid and actually competing if I just /class-switched. Which I honestly might just bite the bullet and do if zerks are going to be undisputed kings of DPS forever. Just somewhat of a pain to redo all the progression and everything.

    Also, we aren't competing against the same zerkers or something. My top DPS on Effortless has been 1.5m, and I'm getting smoked by multiple zerkers closer to/at 2m each time on that event. Can dig up old parses if you don't believe me.

    In any case it seems like not many other people are dissatisfied so I'll let it drop.
  17. Cicelee Augur

    Those parses only prove one factual point...

    Nerf druids.
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  18. Jhenna_BB Proudly Prestigious Pointed Purveyor of Pincusions

    Uh oh druids! Cicelee has spoken!! ;)
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  19. Derka Power Ranger

    That rustbottom with green ranger is surprising. Similar support groups or no monk covenants? Go go power ranger!
  20. Lisard Silly



    wut guild ya in, maybe its ADPS priority or your getting the short stick in the skill gap of adps classes.

    as for re-rolling you would prolly hurt your guild in the long run as youd be bringin in a weaker geared/progressed toon. and berserkers are not really cookie cutter disc wise, gotta think them burns out or you just fked yourself for 26 minutes lol. you'd still get beat by them other zerkers unless you fully commited and farmed every dex aug, quest aug, raid aug and got full TBL Raid TS armor lol. and judging by your posts you would prolly still be dissatisfied by being destroyed by them main zerkers.
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