Curious. Was that in regards to the GMM ornamentation as well? Ondine Chain Set: 4 arms 2 chests 7 feet 3 hands 2 helms 1 legs 2 wrists We finally completed a set of chain. Ondine Chain Arms Ornament Ondine Chain Arms Ornament Ondine Chain Arms Ornament Ondine Chain Arms Ornament Ondine Chain Chest Ornament Ondine Chain Chest Ornament Ondine Chain Feet Ornament Ondine Chain Feet Ornament Ondine Chain Feet Ornament Ondine Chain Feet Ornament Ondine Chain Feet Ornament Ondine Chain Feet Ornament Ondine Chain Feet Ornament Ondine Chain Hands Ornament Ondine Chain Hands Ornament Ondine Chain Hands Ornament Ondine Chain Helm Ornament Ondine Chain Helm Ornament Ondine Chain Legs Ornament Ondine Chain Wrist Ornament Ondine Chain Wrist Ornament Ondine Cloth Set: 2 arms 5 chests 0 feet 10 hands 6 helms 4 legs 1 robe 6 wrists We have awarded 3 robes. Ondine Cloth Arms Ornament Ondine Cloth Arms Ornament Ondine Cloth Chest Ornament Ondine Cloth Chest Ornament Ondine Cloth Chest Ornament Ondine Cloth Chest Ornament Ondine Cloth Chest Ornament Ondine Cloth Hands Ornament Ondine Cloth Hands Ornament Ondine Cloth Hands Ornament Ondine Cloth Hands Ornament Ondine Cloth Hands Ornament Ondine Cloth Hands Ornament Ondine Cloth Hands Ornament Ondine Cloth Hands Ornament Ondine Cloth Hands Ornament Ondine Cloth Hands Ornament Ondine Cloth Helm Ornament Ondine Cloth Helm Ornament Ondine Cloth Helm Ornament Ondine Cloth Helm Ornament Ondine Cloth Helm Ornament Ondine Cloth Helm Ornament Ondine Cloth Legs Ornament Ondine Cloth Legs Ornament Ondine Cloth Legs Ornament Ondine Cloth Legs Ornament Ondine Cloth Robe Ornament Ondine Cloth Wrist Ornament Ondine Cloth Wrist Ornament Ondine Cloth Wrist Ornament Ondine Cloth Wrist Ornament Ondine Cloth Wrist Ornament Ondine Cloth Wrist Ornament Ondine Leather Set: 5 arms 5 chests 2 feet 7 hands 2 helms 4 legs 6 wrists We just completed our 2nd set. Ondine Leather Arms Ornament Ondine Leather Arms Ornament Ondine Leather Arms Ornament Ondine Leather Arms Ornament Ondine Leather Arms Ornament Ondine Leather Chest Ornament Ondine Leather Chest Ornament Ondine Leather Chest Ornament Ondine Leather Chest Ornament Ondine Leather Chest Ornament Ondine Leather Feet Ornament Ondine Leather Feet Ornament Ondine Leather Hands Ornament Ondine Leather Hands Ornament Ondine Leather Hands Ornament Ondine Leather Hands Ornament Ondine Leather Hands Ornament Ondine Leather Hands Ornament Ondine Leather Hands Ornament Ondine Leather Helm Ornament Ondine Leather Helm Ornament Ondine Leather Legs Ornament Ondine Leather Legs Ornament Ondine Leather Legs Ornament Ondine Leather Legs Ornament Ondine Leather Wrist Ornament Ondine Leather Wrist Ornament Ondine Leather Wrist Ornament Ondine Leather Wrist Ornament Ondine Leather Wrist Ornament Ondine Leather Wrist Ornament Ondine Plate Set: 2 arms 5 chests 8 feet 0 hands 4 helms 8 legs 4 wrists Ondine Plate Arms Ornament Ondine Plate Arms Ornament Ondine Plate Chest Ornament Ondine Plate Chest Ornament Ondine Plate Chest Ornament Ondine Plate Chest Ornament Ondine Plate Chest Ornament Ondine Plate Feet Ornament Ondine Plate Feet Ornament Ondine Plate Feet Ornament Ondine Plate Feet Ornament Ondine Plate Feet Ornament Ondine Plate Feet Ornament Ondine Plate Feet Ornament Ondine Plate Feet Ornament Ondine Plate Helm Ornament Ondine Plate Helm Ornament Ondine Plate Helm Ornament Ondine Plate Helm Ornament Ondine Plate Legs Ornament Ondine Plate Legs Ornament Ondine Plate Legs Ornament Ondine Plate Legs Ornament Ondine Plate Legs Ornament Ondine Plate Legs Ornament Ondine Plate Legs Ornament Ondine Plate Legs Ornament Ondine Plate Wrist Ornament Ondine Plate Wrist Ornament Ondine Plate Wrist Ornament Ondine Plate Wrist Ornament Sinister Chain Set: Sinister Steamwork Chain Arms Ornament Sinister Steamwork Chain Arms Ornament Sinister Steamwork Chain Chest Ornament Sinister Steamwork Chain Hands Ornament Sinister Steamwork Chain Hands Ornament Sinister Steamwork Chain Helm Ornament Sinister Steamwork Chain Wrist Ornament Sinister Cloth Set: Sinister Steamwork Cloth Arms Ornament Sinister Steamwork Cloth Feet Ornament Sinister Steamwork Cloth Wrist Ornament Sinister Steamwork Cloth Wrist Ornament Sinister Steamwork Cloth Wrist Ornament Sinister Leather Set: Sinister Steamwork Leather Arms Ornament Sinister Steamwork Leather Chest Ornament Sinister Steamwork Leather Legs Ornament Sinister Steamwork Leather Wrist Ornament Sinister Plate Set: Sinister Steamwork Plate Hands Ornament Sinister Steamwork Plate Helm Ornament Sinister Steamwork Plate Helm Ornament Sinister Steamwork Plate Legs Ornament Sinister Steamwork Plate Wrist Ornament Sinister Steamwork Plate Wrist Ornament So to date and with our last cycle clear of the expansion, we have earned 1 set of chain and 2 sets of leather...in 6 months.
Clearly next time I need to speak in terms of a reading comprehension level of a fourth grader. I understand they do not exist. I was simply wondering WHY they do not exist. The GMM group stuff generally tends to be a tad better than TBL TS items. I was curious as to why they aren't dropped on raids (to exist that is) and be a tad better than TBL raid weapons.... People don't always need to be "that person" on forums, to be a to get a point across that's not even what the person who first posted was going for. Too many of them "exist".
Heh, I couldn't care less about armor ornaments, they can sell those in PoK for all of me. It's the gear and currency that matters.
The TBL tradeskill weapons were huge ratio upgrades. If they put weapons in GMM raids that were better than TBL tradeskill melee would be getting even more of a dps increase while casters sat still. I would imagine this is why they did not add weapons. Plus as others said there’s only 3 raids in GMM how much more loot you want crammed into them lol
Is there any chance to at least get the GMM Ornaments on the merchant? I can see why you wouldn't want to add the Gear but the Ornaments will still end up a worse scenario than the TBL one's were at.
While I respect your answer, I'm not sure I understand the logic behind it. The content is not limited in time, like an anniversary raid. They are raid targets without coin, flags or spells and the benefit of doing these raids is that they have the BiS items....at 9 possible pieces of gear per week. Every raid in recent history the RNG was re-balanced by the raid merchant. We saw....1 War sword in RoS for example, without the merchant none of our warriors would have a primary, save 1? Just looking for a little clarification as to why this is a hard no with so much community support.
Here are three reasons: GMM is already a candy-land with easy raids and very good gear. I already consider it too easy to get the gear. Without weapons, there are far less of the "We never see this" items. And I know most of you guys care less about this, think this is a horrible reason, and it isn't all all important and your greed for loot trumps it, but it is also not story consistent. (And it *IS* low on my list of reasons, the reasons are actually listed in order of importance to me, though it makes me, a writer, sad that this is lower priority than the others) Why should the Djinn that sells you the raid gear have ANY interest in what you do in that silly gnome hill and not in the Glorious Magnificent Bounds if their planes?
@Ngreth I think there was confusion about the vendor for GMM, I too don’t think it’s reasonable to have the GMM items on the Djinn Raid vendor, I think we were looking for something like a little gnome in GMM that would provide us these items at a steep cost. However I understand this undertaking may not be worth the effort. Thanks.
Meh i don’t see anything wrong with how it currently is. Gear is pretty much the only thing that draws out the expansions nowadays and honestly with evolving items/18s/19s and GMM i think he did a pretty good job at keeping people busy for most of the year. My only beef with current itemization is group gear more or less makes last expansions raid gear obsolete which kinda takes away from lower end raid guilds doing older raids for gear. I mean yea focuses and weapons are better but if you can get something almost as good from groups why bother? Doesn't affect me but doesn’t seem healthy for the raid game imo. But at same time i guess most people view group game as tougher nowadays so perhaps that’s needed? i donno the right answer to this issue. Lol
That also depends on your class. Most caster classses do NOT consider the newer group focuses "equivalent" to Raid focuses, probably even a few expansions behind. I do see where the classes with no spells of any type can see/agree with your point, and there is something to that.
As far as Hero's Forge from raid mobs go: how about just throwing a "Suit of such and such Hero's Forge" (like how you have it in the cash shop as a suit or from Heritage Crates) in the chest instead of a single piece? That could solve all player concerns on the rarity. We still would only see one set per raid event.
He perhaps doesn't care about silly gnomes and their hill but he cares about $$$ . This Djinn is a merchant, a trader, spending day after day taking peoples coin. He wants to offer many interesting and unusual items to his customers so he can extract large amounts of coin from them and become very very wealthy ....
And moreover...it is a loot pinata galore....the whole zone...for everyone...raiders, groupers, and sociopaths in prison with 30 minutes of computer time a week....well, maybe not them. But you get the picture.
Oh i agree 100% for the focuses but not every slot has focus for everyone. And i know it’s not equivalent ROS raid gear is still better i just think it’s too close stat wise. If it’s too close i feel the majority won’t go back to hit previous content which could potentially destroy low tier raid guilds. Which is bad for overall health of the raiding side of the game.
I'm curious what you think in regards to adding the Raid Coins to each raid, even if it's half that of a normal TBL raid. I could see where even that could be inconsistent with the story, but is it minor enough to not "break it"? The gear from those 3 raids only dropping there is absolutely understandable, I and many of my guildmates main want has always been for coins to be added. Since every week there is potential from the RNG to completely ruin your day by having shoulders drop multiple times, which is a slot made almost completely unwanted by all in raid guilds due to the chase item. I'm not saying the chase item is bad by any means or even that the shoulders that drop in GMM are, but it does seem their implementation was more a waste of resources and a morale killer for guilds to see them drop. 9 drops a week, for 54 players, for 10 slots (11 if you include shoulders) comes out to needing 60 weeks of clearing to get just those 54 players all their items if the RNG was absolutely perfect. Granted for some classes not every non-visible slot they have has a best in-slot from GMM, so that number is flexible. But keeping those values in mind I don't see how adding coins would be cracking to the greed of the player base. Unless of course it is a big story flaw like mentioned above, or if perhaps these items stay best in-slot compared to the drops in the next expansion. (Doesn't seem likely based on the past though.)
Is there any chance of adding at least the GMM Ornaments? With only 3 per week and the terrible RNG it will take quite a while to finish even 1 complete set of Ornaments. To give you an idea we had 3x Chain Gloves drop this week, a piece we already had. So now we have at least 4 of that one piece but 0 of the majority of the other slots.
