TSS Headshot Proc Rate

Discussion in 'Time Locked Progression Servers' started by Varu, May 3, 2018.

  1. Varu Journeyman

    Thanks for the post Oak. I assume that this is a bug then since the proc rate is way lower than 2 per min with the TSS AAs.
  2. Machentoo Augur


    Err. No. It is supposed to be way lower than 2 per min with TSS aa and DoDH/PoR raid gear. Come back when you are raid geared with the gear that was current when the 2 per min was established, if you are below 2 per min at that point, you might have a point.
  3. Varu Journeyman

    I highly doubt that TSS gear is going to increase it 3x to get it to 2 per min.
  4. Numiko Augur

    the change occurred in 2014, he is saying you need 2014 (TDS or TBM) raid gear to get the 2x per minute proc.
  5. Varu Journeyman

    If you need level 105 raid gear at lvl 75 to get something to work how it is supposed to then I'd call that a bug.
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  6. Lankie Augur

    Is it really that hard to run the parse through Gamparse and show how many PPM you get?

    Can't take this bug report seriously from someone using BOTD who doesn't know how headshot works. Put some effort in.
  7. snailish Augur

    We aren't supposed to talk about overpowered class abilities even if they have a bug/feature that makes them less overpowered at some point?


    (not as a rule, but an understanding among progression players that we need to be careful what we ask for)
  8. taliefer Augur

    patch notes have been wrong in the past, and i know many a ranger who say bow of destroyer is still best for headshotting, and have actually tried it out vs better ratio bows. if i had to guess id say the 2ppm thing is broken at the lower levels, but come TSS it actually takes effect.
  9. Religious Elder

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    The above was using Bow of the Destroyer. I can assure you the delay of your bow at level 70 affects the number of procs you see per minute.
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  10. Punchu Augur

    He didn't say TSS.
  11. Lankie Augur

    140 proc in 140 min?

    Looks like 1ppm to me just eyeballing it on my phone, considering you probably aren't having 100% uptime on attacking, I'd say you are getting 2ppm. Where is the parse with a higher delay bow that you obviously have if you can assure me it gets less than 2ppm like BOTD does.

    Seems to be working as intended, will analyze it better when I get home though.
  12. Lankie Augur

    153 procs in 165 minutes. 0.97 PPM

    Factor in time spent between pulls and mini afk etc, plus we don't know if you have max stats, it's not a bad estimate to say you are getting the correct 2PPM rate on headshot that is intended.

    Stop using Bow of the Destroyer, as everyone has been telling you. Headshot = 2ppm, use best DPS bow you have.

    If you want to do less damage because it 'feels cool to shoot fast' then whatever, just don't whine on forums when it takes 2 hours to clear a dungeon lol.
  13. Religious Elder

    I'm keen on the belief that the reason there weren't more headshots was because half the mobs weren't headshottable.(Farming DA clickies) In either case, I've played both with, and without BotD. I'll continue using BotD because I know that currently, it yields the best result. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant.

    I was like you once. I took what devs said at face value and passed on the BotD to a warrior in Velious. It wasn't until I was chaining Headshot groups in PoN doing hobgoblins that I realized despite being in full BIS, i was consistently getting a lower Headshot count total in every group where a BotD ranger was present. I think at the time I was using Bow of the Tempest from P4 of Time, though it may have been the PoAir crafted bow, I can't recall. There was a significant increase in the rate of Headshots after I acquired the BotD. What it boils down to is at level 70 with all available ranks of Headshot, the delay most certainly matters. If you or another players finds that your bow is working better, or as well as BotD then by all means, continue using it.
  14. Bobbybick Only Banned Twice

    Are you guys seriously going to make me farm a bow of the destroyer on my live ranger because you are all too lazy to /testcopy and shoot a dummy with GamParse running overnight?
  15. Lankie Augur

    Please do, currently this thread is a waste of time. Posting logs that show BOTD getting 2PPM so the AA is working as intended, I don't really understand what the problem is.

    Need 2 gameparse logs please, with BOTD and with a longer delay bow.
  16. Varu Journeyman

    If you read my posts then you could do the ppm yourself. 85 mobs in the mission and I gave the times. 23 mins to clear on average so 3.7 ppm at lvl 70 with headshot rank 4 using a BotD.

    I did 2 runs with a 47 delay bow and both were significantly longer than using a BotD. My worst rng run out of 40ish runs using a BotD took me 26 or 27 mins. My best run of the 2 with the 47 delay bow was 32 mins and the other was 45 mins. The spread in the rng is far larger and the times are both much longer than my worst BotD run. You can believe what you want but that is evidence enough for me. And yes, it does feel cool to shoot fast using a Bow of the Destroyer.

    In 87 mins at lvl 71 with headshot rank 7 I got 62 headshots or .7 ppm. 5x less than with rank 4. A higher ratio bow might be better in this case since every mob doesn't die to headshot but that wasn't my goal with this run. My goal was to do everything exactly the same as I normally do and see exactly how much the proc rate changed. What bow I was using was never relevant since it was the same one I used for my comparisons.

    With a .7 ppm it would be far better dps to tank and melee mobs down vs bowing and hoping for rng to be on your side. Headshot has been a class defining ability for Rangers for a long time and it is disappointing that it is going to be useless come TSS.
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  17. Lankie Augur

    None of that means anything sorry. Could have been non HS mobs, time between pulls rooting stuff etc, afk time.

    Needs to be total time spent attacking, not how long you were in an instance. Devs can't do anything with that info.
  18. Bobbybick Only Banned Twice

    Can't headshot dummies, even though they are human male NPCs. Devs pls fix.

    Anyway when they nerfed HS/Decap/Assass in 2014 maybe they omitted ranks 1-4 from using the new formulas (though i can't confirm that since I can't headshot a dummy).

    This quote was directly answering a question regarding Assassin/Decap but presumably the ranger version is the same/similar. So the function might be based off of rangers with 400+ hDex on the low end and ~800 regular Dex, which is why on a TLP going into TSS they see massive decreases in proc chances with TSS levels of Dex/hDex. This is all just a hypothesis, I have no idea if this is actually the case.
  19. Random newb Augur

    Bad sample, since you can't headshot every month in your instance it could very well be that the oak recurve runs had a higher population of mobs above the headshot level cap.
  20. Lankie Augur

    Either way, I think we can say for certain that headshot is PPM based, so using your best DPS bow will have better dps overall.