This next patch will almost be like Christmas time!

Discussion in 'The Veterans' Lounge' started by Metanis, Feb 12, 2018.

  1. Sissruukk Rogue One

    Remember, while druids may have phenomenal cosmic powers, they only have an itty bitty living space.
  2. Tatanka Joe Schmo

    I'm not pretending, I think it's fine the way it is (can boost DPS a lot for very short periods of time). Again, group game. I don't raid, don't have any insight into that. But if they nerf stuff, no way it should affect the group game.
  3. Cicelee Augur

    With all due respect, casters are not casting those spells for those mana costs. Specialisation augments, mana preservation items, gifts of mana, etc etc all reduce those costs.

    A trust test would be for a 200k mana druid to cast those six spells and see how much mana they have left. I highly doubt they are going to be at 45% of their mana pool.

    Furthermore the real issue of druid DPS is on raids, not necessarily in groups. And on raids you generally get a plethora of mana recovery tools from other classes- mod rods, paragon, changed stuff, etc etc. So technically you could cast those six spells and probably get back close to 100 almost immediately.

    Now IDC about druids and whether they out parse me or not. What I care about is if they are giving me black wolf in a timely manner, and if they are keeping me alive on raids. If they do both, they could do a billion deeps for all I care...
  4. Tatanka Joe Schmo

    Yes, I absolutely have no issue with that.

    Not sure how much wizards would enjoy healing, but whatever.
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  5. Lianeb Augur

    - All Classes - Removed the Run/Walk button due to UI bloat. All classes will now only have Walk
  6. Cloudia Augur

    Okay time to dive in a toss out some more chum fer that chump.

    Where is this 10 million, suddenly inflated to 20 million! coming from????
    That would be awesome dps against a mob with say 50 million hps and zilch for regen or resists.
    A one time or rarely occurring massive crit, is being held up as the bloody shirt for "all druids can do this!"
    I am sure that all the top end raiding guilds are just in a lather to recruit a lineup of parse topping druids, that way the "real dps" classes can take the time to sit back and sip their latte.
    Oh, but wait in order to do this blisteringly huge wad of damage requires that you hire them in pairs with an enchanter! Nobody wants to hire those guys, they look walk and smell funny.

    Now most druids are too busy covering the bases to even think about something like this other than over a beer after the raid. Sure it would be fun to do once in a while, but we do so many other things consistently.

    It sort of reminds me of a time way back when, wizards got some 2 handed weapon that let them do a huge amount of melee damage. If they could hit, and if the mob didn't turn right around after the first swing and take their lunch money. It was best summed up by an SK who said "put away that stick caster boy".

    No gnomes were injured producing this post, although some egos may have gotten a smidge bruised.
  7. Critts Augur

    Removing all see invis from the game!!!

    All classes are now Clerics.
  8. Blitter Elder

    I don't mind Druids/Shaman doing great DPS. But the effort required to accomplish it should reflect that.
  9. Cloudia Augur

    Sorry I no longer walk 3 miles thru the snow uphill both ways to school on a broken leg (cause splints are for sissies).
    Define effort in a sense that it is equivalent to that for your own class to accomplish regularly performed tasks.
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  10. mmats Augur

    No, because they can see the writing on the wall. Anyone in a top raiding guild is aware that druids are capable of out dpsing the pure dps classes and they know a nerf is coming.
  11. smash Augur

    I kind of remember when playing druid they were good in lot of things, but masters of none....


    Sounds like that has indeed changed.

    Necromancers are those who should be the ultimate class using dots, but they are looking at classes who should not be where they are.

    Druids are excellent healers, got good DD, and now they supreme dotters.
  12. Newb Tank Not so Newb

    . Because you say so? And what’s a doom dot? Some other game’s lingo? And why do you care that Druids can bring the heat?
  13. DruidCT Augur

    No. But self buffed I would be at 20% mana at the end of the easy mode group Cactii mission. That lasted maybe 2 mintues. So maybe got 4 rounds of blistering wrath in plus maybe a refresh on the others. It goes really fast. I suppose I could spend some time testing, but I rarely have solo time in game.

    Even then the wizard beat me handily. Maybe I could of done better, I was boxing another toon as well so I am probably not 100% optimal. The point is we can dump our mana really fast and don't recovery it in combat very well. If Shaman can put out similar numbers I'd be more concerned with that because they can recover their mana pretty fast.

    In regular experience grind I rarely get to use more than my swarm DoT and I come up with a rotation that seems to put out about 70K sustained while maintaining mana with a steady refresh of mod rods and casting nurturing growth every 5 minutes. Wizard and mage in group sustain more. Blistering Wrath gets hit on Gift of Mana basically.

    I haven't raided in years, but when I did I was in a solidly healing role, maybe things have changed and we aren't needed for that?

    Tweak the raid dps all you like, just keep the self buffed group DPS mostly the same. In my opinion.
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  14. I-WANT-IT-NOW Augur

    You do realize that 260,000 dps out to 1000's is what a lot of other real dps classes can do if they are really good right? Thats not 1/3 or 1/2 of a dps class thats 100% in many cases. And thats not a best of the best dps parse, thats what a druid does pretty regularly while also curing and healing. If he went pure dps to the point of fighting for every mana tool he could get from others he would probably add another 100,000 to that. So your bursting ahead and sustaining ahead of real dps classes while being a priest.


    This is what I see many group druids say, leave me alone as I'm not seeing what your saying. But they are boxing, not focused on one toon. They are the healer in the group, not focused on actually dps'ing. They aren't doing what they could for reasons, ignoring what they can do for reasons. If you get a healer for you group and play the druid as dps they can beat out actual dps classes. Going out of mana fast isn't a reason to have real dps classes potential while also being a priest. Your dots should have been improved and boosted your dps some like they intended not added 100 or 200% more dps to you to the point that you can choose to be as good as a dps class or be a healer who still puts out amazing dps.
  15. Rolaque Ancient

    You know, I use what the game provides. I don't really care what anyone else on these forums think about my class or how I play. If you think I do too much dps or healing and make your class look bad, then the problem is with you and your lack of ability to play your class well. So flame on all you wannabees.
  16. Darchon_Xegony Augur

    This is generally true but if you're in a true all out burn on a single target, which are almost all the numbers cited in this thread, you will be using NF:

    [41865/23592] Nature's Fury IV
    Classes: DRU/254
    Skill: Melee
    Target: Self
    Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: No
    Focusable: Yes
    Casting: 0s
    Duration: 2m+ (20 ticks), Dispelable: No
    1: Increase Spell Mana Cost by 20%
    2: Limit Type: Detrimental
    3: Limit Max Duration: 0s
    4: Limit Min Mana Cost: 10
    5: Limit Effect: Current HP
    6: Increase Spell Damage by 30% (Before Crit)
    7: Limit Type: Detrimental
    8: Limit Max Duration: 0s
    9: Limit Min Mana Cost: 10
    10: Limit Effect: Current HP
    Text: You invoke the fury

    While the effect claims it only increases mana cost by 20% on instant spells, it actually blocks your focus effect from working on all spells and prevents Gift of Mana from being consumed. Many GoM procs happen and fade under a burn due to this AA.

    A chunk of DPS comes from DoTs but there's only 5-6 DoT lines for Druids and in the meantime you are casting Nukes. If you're trying to max your numbers on a short burn, you're using this AA and you're going OOM in a very short period of time even with mana recovery procs and Specializations.

    But the patch reveal should be later today. Very exciting to see what happens with HAs and Demiplane. A+ bug fix to Prathun for changing the Druid bane on Mayong after all these years.
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  17. Tatanka Joe Schmo


    Dude, we GET your argument, we simply don't agree. Saying it over and over isn't going to change any minds.

    "Going out of mana fast isn't a reason to have real dps classes potential while also being a priest."

    Yes, it is.
  18. Daedly Augur

    Christmas time family arguing at its finest. In case any kids are reading this, Santa isn't real, don't let your parents continue such deceptions!
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  19. Dart Lorekeeper

    On another note... I want a pony..... and...I-WANT-IT-NOW!

    Surprised anyone has taken this person seriously, their arguments are full of holes, they act like a giant spoiled baby in their posts, and they repeat the same things over and over not taking anyone else's points in mind.

    If you can't concede a valid point by others, shut your pie hole.
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  20. Gana Augur

    OMG! You are an ANIMAL!
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