Casino Gold Ticket Drop rate needs to be looked at

Thank you Ngreth for jumping in on this - its so nice to have an official EQ Person comment so us players can stop bickering lmao. I was just guessing when I said " I would say worse odds than 1 in 1000 mentioned above." but looks like that was right. 1 in 10000 is much worse

Best part about it is that you're still ~ 37 percent to not get one in 10000 iterations!

you can just buy one with loyalty points

I just can't resist....

/me starts playing the piano

Grandpa Ngreth Thergn:
I never thought my life could be
Anything but catastrophe
But suddenly I begin to see
A bit of good luck for me
'Cause I've got a golden ticket
I've got a golden twinkle in my eye
I never had a chance to shine
Never a happy song to sing
But suddenly half the world is mine
What an amazing thing
'Cause I've got a golden ticket

[Spoken]
It's ours, Illusory!

[Sung]
I've got a golden sun up in the sky
I never thought I'd see the day
When I would face the world and say
Good morning, look at the sun
I never thought that I would be
Slap in the lap of luxury
'Cause I'd have said:

Illusory:
It couldn't be done

Grandpa Ngreth Thergn:
But it can be done
I never dreamed that I would climb
Over the moon in ecstasy
But nevertheless, it's there that I'm
Shortly about to be

Grandpa Ngreth Thergn and Illusory:
'Cause I've got a golden ticket
I've got a golden chance to make my way
And with a golden ticket, it's a golden day

Grandpa Ngreth Thergn:
[Spoken]
Good morning, look at the sun!

Grandpa Ngreth Thergn and Illusory:
[Sung]
'Cause I'd have said,
It couldn't be done

Grandpa Ngreth Thergn:
But it can be done
I never dreamed that I would climb
Over the moon in ecstasy
But nevertheless, it's there that I'm
Shortly about to be
'Cause I've got a golden ticket

Grandpa Ngreth Thergn and Illusory:
'Cause I've got a golden ticket
I've got a golden chance to make my way
And with a golden ticket, it's a golden day

[Please thank Willy Wonka for the lyrics.]

...I mean they could allow expansion-appropriate loyalty items to be purchasable instead of being lazy and restricting everything until much later.

The casino literally just came out, why should we be able to flood the market with gold tickets from the massive amounts of loyalty tokens people have saved up.

If you want the stat food I'm ok with that.

They should implement the Loyalty merchant but for only about a minute and I'll only buy a Lamp Post to test that the merchant is working.

When and how loyalty opens on progression is probably worth looking at. Last I checked on Vulak it wasn't there as of SoD... which seems incorrect? (at least if the loyalty vendor occurring when it first occurred goes).

Era-set the loyalty items (would see the currencies well-used if set reasonably close to original era for example) and put it in nice and early, like just after OoW.

Thank you Ngreth for looking into it and for the clarification. This kind of transparency really helps. Also Captnstudy, please show me where I specified that "my friend" had a bad run. I simply stated that I have heard from others that they had bad runs in the casino. Then I stated that a 500k plat run with no ticket seemed unusual based on my experience on live. Still no reference to this mysterious "friend" you speak of. Please, next time you come looking to turn this forum into "THE BLAST FURNACE" of old, make sure you have your facts straight.

Actually based on my live experience, and how much people I know played the casino. I think that the rate of 1 in 1 million plat is way off and has been changed, possibly in 2012 like you said. I seem to remember ALOT of gold tickets being won. A lot and the rate was approx. 1 in 2-300k ish.

On Vulak we were able to buy golden tickets from the loyalty merchant. I think it might have been bugged (a few times) but they accidentally opened it up. It was glorious.

Ngreth, do you have any logs prior to 2012 showing the drop rate, because 1 in 1 million plat has got to be way off from my experience when the casino came out on live. I remember getting two in about 350k spent. I remember the average guild-member spent about 150kish to get one. Being in a high end guild at the time, we had a ton of plat and a lot of my guild-members dumped plat into the casino back in the day. So, there was plenty of evidence to formulate this theory/hypothesis.

No hard data of course (sorta impossible to have), but yea, I seem to recall 100-150k being the well known amount for a ticket way back.

It isnt a million plat though. To figure out roughly the amount of expected plat, hed have to say the chance to get 1,5,10, 20 and 40 casino tokens as prizes from initial token return, and someone would need to do the math. Buying 50k in tokens took me almost half an hour to turn in because i would keep getting strings of multi-token returns and probally turned in almost 2-300k in tokens just with an initial 50k buy.

As far as I know, there is no historical data to look at. We're better at keeping records now, but not so much when EQ was made and for MANY years after.

Ahh, I figured that may be the case. So from my experience on live I recall the average golden ticket requiring about 150k to 200k plat of an investment. Some here seem to have the same recollections as I do.

Also, just looking on Allah's I see a bunch of posts of people getting them for below 200k but only one post that shows that a guy spent 1.14 Million plat to finally get one, there are a few posts of people spending 300k. Now I know that the collection of posts on Allah's under "Golden ticket" and under "King's Court Casino" don't completely and accurately reflect the actual amounts of plat spent.

BUT, one can infer, simply from, the sheer amount of people getting them around 150k spent or below, and from, the negligible amount of the posts showing people spending over 1 million plat to get one, that these numbers do not match up with the current 1/10,000 tries or approx. 1 in 800kpp (roughly factoring in the rate at which you get tokens back for tokens spent).

Please understand that this isn't so much of a personal goal to get an item from the casino as it is more to set things straight so that these items can be more available overall. I am talking about the sellable items in particular. Also, the fact that we never got the chance to loot a couple of these items like we did back on live (Holgresh beads & Ton Po's Stick), should also merit a little consideration to this request.

Ngreth, would it be possible for you to look at the comments on these Allakhazam's pages and they may shed a little more light.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=25424&p=1#comments

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=2675&p=1#comments

There are 2 pages of comments for each of the topics (the quest and the gold ticket itself).

Thank you again for looking into this,
Hadesborne

Wonder how many log files are sitting on peoples' hard drives somewhere from 1999-2004 or so. Maybe it's more work than it is worth, but it would be interesting to see how many people would upload them if someone set up a repository that could then be combed through for data like this.

I skimmed the first link.
It looks like luck is luck. Random is Random. I also see lots of people giving up early.
The way that script is, I can't see that it really is different than how it started. It's more likely that ings were added in the gaps where "nothing" was given than the golden ticket ratio was changed.
At this time we do not plan a change.

Keep in mind while everyone is trying to compile this data that loyalty merchants came out in 2010 and were selling gold tickets. So did the person obtain the gold ticket thru her or the casino? Did they lie about how they got them (gasp! No! people don't lie in eq) I know I got so frustrated I quit the casino until loyalty merchants showed up. But on a side note I am happy to see nothing is being changed to accommodate the TLP servers like (un)locking doors again. They are meant to be like Old EQ which was hard - If they want easy play then they can come to live servers!