Test Update 02/10/16

Self healing is irrelevant.

Warrior DP needs to be neutered. Knights shouldn't get it at all. The 5% mitigation thing is not needed and really just a middle finger to warriors. 2h proficiency for knights is a very good idea.

I honestly am thinking they are giving this to knights because they don't want to nerf warrior DP like they should, because then they would need to go back and modify TDS/TBM raids to reflect it. So this is "easier" for them and they will just move forward developing with that OP ability in place.

for raiding its alot less usefuull i agree. for grouping or any content that dosent have a chance to one round you self healing is not irrelevant

Its like the rich telling the poor to stop being poor. /golf clap.

Then this becomes a different game. Merging class abilities and creating equal classes with different names is not EQ. Removing niches and the interdependence of classes is the wrong direction. Class envy and the devs kowtowing to the whiners has not made this game better nor helped keep people from leaving.

You are wrong yet again I added a parse to that whole thread (where all the mages only defense was well your just standing there auto attacking like a tree stump which was the only reason I got tired of hearing it enough to go parse the data) rotating discs as much as possible just like a warrior would do in a real situation . Everything was shared in the parse including spells what the group make up was and it was all accounted for .

I also did the same thing on my mage and even after the first change which was overkill I went to test and parsed the data again telling the developers that they over nerfed the pets multiple times and after multiple tuning passes but , I am the bad guy here I guess.

No tanks with even halfway modern raid/group gear have problems grouping current content (talking real group). Not relevant to anything I care about at all.

You must be talking about the Low tier because some of us are in the mid tier ?

Try doing those events with two warriors, one non-boxed shammy, no mages at all for mod rods, and two wizards. Even with your uber gear, you might begin to understand what we're up against.

Eventually those of us on the lower and middle of the raid scene will dry up and blow away. You might not enjoy it as much when you have to teach your own recruits to raid and gear them up yourself rather than relying on us to do it for you.

If your having to do events with 2 warriors your recruitment needs work and its not a design issue . Changing the game to accommodate the wrong raid make up is not good for the game in any way shape or form.

In that way of thinking why not just make the events beatable with 54 clerics since it will allow a guild of 54 clerics to exist if they so chose to raid that way ?

Triton is the least warrior heavy guild of the top guilds we avrage 3 warriors in a raid. and run 3 pladins and 3 sks for a total of 9 tanks in our raid. so thease buffs to knight benefits my guild greatly . that dosent change what i have said

Most days we have more than that, and yes, we do recruit. We don't mandate raid attendance, though. We just raid with the force that shows up. Some days it works out better than it does other days.

Designing events so they're impossible to win without one specific class in abundance isn't good for the game, either. I'm pretty sure that's what a lot of the knights here are saying.

Except the fact is knights already step in and tank when needed on raids so there is no "real" problem even in the mid tier of raiding.

And not one warrior has said they shouldn't get a boost but this boost is too much and makes it too easy to replace our class.

Like has been said we will be better tanks in 1% of the content for 3 minutes out of every 10 minutes when last stand discipline and other stuff we stack with it is up.

I gota agree here. The guild I am in recruits but there is just not enough people on the server who want to raid on a reg base to support the number of raid guilds on the server. So you gota take what you can and make it work

Their is variability across the tiers. Congratulations on being upper middle class.

Replace a War? never going happen. Even with this boost to knights. I would still take a war over a knight. Ya knights got the spells to make up the difference. But you can't count on them when you are getting beat on by a raid boss who can do x number of things to stop a spell form being cast.

Someone who gets its.

Except its the exact thing they are asking for . We need knights to tank when we are missing warriors if you are using knights to replace those warriors you are in fact replacing the warriors ?
You know we can't cast our discs either when we are stunned/silenced/mezzed/charmed/ feared correct ?

Stop it! Your making sense!

2/17/2016 will be remembered as the day the necros and warriors die. March will be the Wizards turn. Then we will get full circle and it will be the Knights turn. See a pattern here?

Yeah you can replace a Bugatti with an escort, both will get you there, one just does it better.

This thread is so much fun.