Work In Progress Work In Progress: Weapon Mastery

I've been wondering this too if I just get a single weapon master would I still get the power finisher on the end of my combo or would it only apply if I need to get multiple weapon mastery for it to work.

Well said !

Odds are he will say "yes, no one is forcing you to use the new system" like they have said multiple times. What he won't clarify on most likely is if you don't use this, how will your role suffer?

ok, well since this is now the 'Jump Cancel-- freak out about hypothetical changes- my elitist stlye of play is all that matters' thread i think i'll bow out.

may i please get an alert besides a down vote when this actually gets back on topic?
thanks.

How is it an "it's only about me" style thread when it's removing someone's play style to promote someone elses? I mean... huh? How are these players not wanting their play style removed being the ones only thinking about themselves?

I do agree there should be a separate thread for the issue though.

Yeah, I see that. But to use this new thingie to it's fullest I have to break RP.

If this is just about winning the scoreboard chase I don't see the reason for changing any of the ways in which clipping functions as is. There are other routes to take rather than altering the aspects of the game that brought the majority of people to the game, such as the fast paced combat.

For one you mention other powers and weapons that can't min max clipping, suggesting that you guys know that the damage capabilities of some weapons and entire powersets are laughable when stacked against other weapons and powersets, why not start there instead of targeting clipping; which I might add I have seen on various occasions on here being stated as intentional by a plethora of green names.

Just to restate I understand you see a deficiency as far as people saying they hate clipping because they can't keep up with other players who are better at clipping, but that doesn't mean you guys have to go and make alterations to clipping that are not needed and on sincere behalf of my entire league not wanted. If one person is winning a race and you want another person to win you don't shoot the guy in the lead, you give the other person some help.

the second part of your post was all i was saying.
i was real excited the first few pages after the webcast to talk about WEAPON MASTERY........ sorta lost that focus about 40 pages back.

Stop the QQ PLEASE!
This is probably (Most likely can be) the best thing to ever happen to this game.

All i would like to say is:
(Sorry if this has been said already... I have no time to read 63 pages in an hour)

Give us a tactical mod V that goes in LEGS Socket!
If a combo is completed through weapon mastery
YOU PICK ONE OF YOUR CHOICE LIKE NECK TACTICAL MODS
DPS:
A: Gets a crit chance
B: Prec Buff
C: Might Buff
D: Immunity

Troll:
A: Gets a power crit chance
B: debuff enhancer
C: Vit Increased for 10 secs
D: Immunity

Healer:
A: Heal crit chance
B: control resistance
C: Power back
D: Immunity

Tank: choice of either
A: control resistance & power back
B: HoT & Pure immunity for 10 seconds

Also lets talk about ADDS how in the blue moon should we get a full mastery combo down without being knocked down....
This is how!
Tactical mod Head socket affinity: Increased Concentration V
We only get knocked down by the person we are locked onto!
Just like how we only can lunge / BB ONE enemy at a time we should be the same for BLOCKING!

This solves PvP and gives a HUGE reason to use weapon mastery!

Like this if you agree & Thanks for the read

My vision is to make support roles more useful and appealing as dps seems to be; to make other weapon and power combinations viable and not discriminated against; to make fun and challenging content for all players in the game. To do this some change is needed.

If everything skill wise in the game boils down to a single mechanic in the community's eyes - jump canceling - then I truly believe the group and combat mechanics have been driven to an unhealthy place and people have far too limited options to be considered skilled. And that saddens me. I think you have me pegged all wrong. I want to de-emphasize the bias toward DPS centric gameplay in the game, but that is my opinion and one I do not act on unilaterally or with impunity.

That being said, we'll be splitting these topics up so Weapon Mastery isn't taking the brunt for a change we've wanted to fix for ever, long before WM was a glint in our eye.

It's not entirely about that one concept. It's that you are also removing the speed at which the game plays. Why don't you balance the WM combos against clipping and not remove any so that everyone can be happy? You can give the boosts that you intend to for every role, just balance the dps against clipping.

It will give multiple play styles. If the troller can't support clipping people can use the WM combos to offset the massive power drain. Everyone wins.

Must say I find it mind-boggling that some seem to think that enforcing a non-zero, but yet to be determined animation to jumping, when performing a jump cancel, as well as mainly shortening some of the ability animations (how many are currently less than 1 second and may be lengthened anyway?), will slow the game so much as to make it not worth playing. Seriously? To be honest, I only messed with jump canceling as Sorc and HL briefly, yet the game still seems plenty fast-paced and fun to me. Guess I'm a terrible player. Oh, well. If it's just irritation about having to adjust play style, well what's new? They've made tons of weapon and ability changes over the years. Players just adapt and move on.

My reference to the scoreboard was about discrimination based on scoreboard data, which is a one dimensional way to judge performance and to define skill, because it lacks other accurate reporting to show the valuable contributions other play styles have to offer.

Ok so no, you don't understand my point. I have not mastered clipping but I'm pretty good at it. It's something I've worked on to make me a better player. My performance is superior to some who can not or won't clip. I'm am not concerned in the least if someone uses the new WM mechanic to score higher than me on the board. The mechanic is simply there to make the game easier. Please don't try and turn this over to me being the scoreboard chaser. That's far from the case. I've come in second and third plenty of times and it's not an issue. I comment on how poorly I played, I take some heat from my friends and we que up for the next raid. It's the QQs that are rampant from people who are just bad at the game and complain so much about being beat or a power is OP or a weapon is OP or the sun is in their eyes when they play. Whatever excuse people can make, they will. It's the dumbing down and easy way it is to fly through the game is what I'm against. I've played this game for a very long time and spent a ton of money. I know there may be many out there that have as well and may feel differently and that's fine. This is my opinion. Maybe I've played this game too long. Things don't stay the same forever and people tend to lose interest and leave. Sometimes they come back but sometimes they don't. I know for a fact that I'm not the on,y one who feels this way.

-With those 13 words you just made a 39 year old man cry a single tear of inexplicable joy.

thank you Jens for listening to all of us on every side of these discussions while trying to do your job at the same time.
kudos and best of luck with all of this.

I hope we all can contribute through civil discussion and debate to ensure the future of this amazing game that has given so much to so many of us.

This sounds incredible. One of the best things put in the game and the animation balance has been needed for a long time. Keep going with all this weapon mastery stuff.

I think the buff should apply too if you would like to use a specific weapon only (like pure brawling), for players who wanna stay with their original gameplay concept and wanna keep their original "pure" weapon combos and still enjoy the new system benefits without adding other weapon combos. It would be more flexible this way. Lets say you preform your ORIGINAL weapon combos and at the end, you get your role benefits.

Clipping is not being removed. Where are people getting this?

The game will remain quite fast. We're speeding up other areas and clipping remains unaffected.

If you want to move the emphasis away from dps you should try boosting the stats of support role. In the new pvp gear troll only get 2 vit more than dps. You also have made it clear that this small stat increase between troll and dps gear was on purpose. So if you really want to encourage more support role players you should give better stats so they will be encouraged to play those rolls instead of changing the machanics that are not broken.