Work In Progress Work In Progress: Weapon Mastery

While I find the idea pretty neat, I do not like a lot of the weapon combinations. I would have loved to have a MA with staff combos. What is the point with putting MA and brawling together? The two weapons function almost the same exact way. Another combo I am not totally in love with is shield and duel wield. Wouldn't it make more sense to make one hand or even staff with shield as opposed to duel wield? I would like to see some of the combos changed. Two handed into bow really does not make sense to me. It would have been better to see MA with bow or bow with MA.

From what I saw in the live cast, if you dont have the dlc you wont be able to use weapon mastery, so your skill trees will remain the same, so I fail to see how this will effect traditional clipping at all, i actually feel they are promoting it.

sptyle said they are trying to eliminate clipping....
Did you watch the stream?
He said "clipping will have a cooldown"

One thing I didn't hear anything about in the vid was as to whether the new content accompanying these combat changes will be tailored with them in mind. Someone made some great points in an earlier post about how that the changes may become useful in some solo instances here and there, that it would actually be more like chalk and cheese with the content that we currently have. That's a very good point. All this new stuff is great in theory and makes the combat more in depth, but if it isn't going to be the slightest bit useful in existing content, and I can kinda see his point as to how it wouldn't be, at very least make sure the new content is well designed to accommodate it. I hope this is being considered carefully is all i'm saying, or it might be a case of all flash and no bang. Wait and see I guess is all there is for it.

You're going to have to explain how it's killing clipping. Nothing said in the stream would indicate that, in fact they went out of their way to say that you would have to choose between clipping and this new mechanic. Therefore you will still be able to clip.

No, he said the Weapon Mastery mechanic is supposed to be an alternative to clipping. Which means clipping will still be an option.

You really need to watch the video then because you missed the part about clipping being on a cool down, and rifle not able to be jump clipped... which is the main weapon of a hard light dps.

I agree to be perfectly honest. I think that this is a step in the right direction in helping powers like electricity and earth to get back in action. I'm not 100% sure on the fixing jump clipping though because that will hurt more than just HL.

that's great, but as you did say, it has to be well timed. which is very rare. I think it would benefit more if it were a boost to the instant power or bigger power regen since we will be doing a combo that would make one or 2 recharges off the rotation.

I must have missed that part then, I was talking to league at the same time. But still if its cooled down that doesn't necessarily mean its eliminated, just ,means you will have to adjust to the slower reaction time

I remember signing up for a 2 by 2 for AnB a few weeks back (2 of each role) We had a rather well known player in our group who has been playing since around beta. When he realized it was set up without one healer and 3 trolls to power his "Supreme" ness, how shall we say...shenanigans ensued. Off topic tho. Yes yes, hear hear new combat. Less challenges, more catering to.casual players Devs. I wont be hqppy until.all the hardcore players. who log on daily and play more than 3 months are driven out of the game. Because ya know....loyalty means jack, right?

I'd like to second this. The sweet spot buff from WM combo should definately apply to heal/power return/taunt.

I think this is just another half baked idea that will take a massive amount of work to make it worth while. The dev's would have been better off changing the innates to % based and the rest of their time developing content. Combos are hard enough to pull off now with all of the broken counter mechanics. Support roles really don't benefit from this. Some powers are getting a nerf as well so it just screams fail. April 4th can't come soon enough.

i think i may go for bow because its first and second WM combos are MAs' two hardest hitting moves, smokebomb and spining punch!

WM should the free-flow style of shield and brawling to all weapons while under the WM affect.

Clipping was not stated to be on a cooldown. And enforcing a minimum animation time on jump clipping doesn't 'kill' clipping, either. I think perhaps you should re-watch the stream, you are stating as fact things that were not said.

Which effectively slows down anyone jump clipping. Any slow down ruins the class they have been playing the same way for 3 years. This is a stupid DLC.

And if the prec DPS takes a prec cola the gap widens further... Outside of a full revamp on powers or nerfing prec powers the stats in gear needs looking at, 1 prec = 2.9 might and theres nowhere near 3 times as much might as prec in any gear even in skill points. One example of this and there are many, is in the rings, theres hardly any difference in might and precision stats on both types of rings but the prec rings has more prec in the affinity than the might one has might in the affinity, shouldnt the might ring have nearly 3 times more, not less?

Before the armouries (which made dpsing to attractive an option to resist) when I was entirely support role I would have completely agrred with this way of thinking, but I have been dpsing a lot since the intro of armouries and have seen how my playing support roles has changed as a result. I'm not saying I focus on damage when trolling or healing, but I do do damage now in those roles and I do it properly when I do. So I agree with them when they say there is something on offer for those roles aswell.

If you relied that heavily on jump cancel then you should rethink your spec. With a lot of precision you'll be able to hit really hard with these combos, so its an excellent alternative to jump cancel

What are you kidding me? Every single hard light combo requires clipping. Have you ever used hard light? Not everyone wants to be forced to do it this way. Thats the main point. They are forcing everyone to do this, instead of balancing the powers. They are basically admitting they have no idea how to balance the game, and they are giving up.