Work In Progress: Weapon Mastery (Updated)

Honestly I dont think they are going to buff the weapons back after they spent so much time balancing them. However we will see when WM comes out.

They originally said there weren't going to be roles in this game for the exact reasons you stated, but they presumably couldn't make it work correctly and went back to the usual MMO roles.

WM gives another method for dps so they can still clipping, but what about support roles? What is the alterative for them besides WM?

That is to be determined. Based on feedback, they are looking at ways to make WM benefit support directly, rather than just boosting their damage. Stay tuned.

why not make the completed combo=a 2nd tier combo? then you can continue to do the combo to achieve 3 and 4 tiers...this would be a very good benefit to the support roles, and help with power supply

This is what worries me. If they boost roles further it will create a huge inbalance in pvp and pve as well against Non-DLC owners. Sorry to say this but i will stay away from WM, i dont wanna be rambo with tons of weapon, i am a superhero not a solider, i am just gonna use my fists..

I hope they dont give us a boost in restoration, that would only further promote solo healing.

This is definitely approved!
Umm....how I get my little approved picture on here? I tried to paste but it said an error about it being to long to submit but that isn't true lol.

2nd approval! *waits for the image...*

Sorry, had to put that in there.
As much as I don't want to just be a battery...
I love the challenge of providing power WHILE using crowd control and debuffs and performing pick-ups, etc.
That's what makes trolling challenging to me - ALL the things done.
I hope WM doesn't change that and make controllers one-dimensional (which is how DPS feels to me --- no offense intended to the DPS players, you play what and how you like, and so do I -- if we all agreed on everything all the time, life would be boring.)

Hello, first time posting on these forums, been playing and reading these forums for about a year.
I've read through all these pages and the JC cancel nerf thread...sure I haven't been playing long but I am certainly not a fan of these upcoming changes. I know they are set in stone and we just have to deal with it but, I honestly think it will hurt the game

1.) Sure the action will stay faster than most MMOs but it really is an overhaul of the ENTIRE combat mechanics.
Thus, probably alienating a lot of players that have been subscribed for years.

And my main point...
2.) This is EXACTLY what killed Wow. The devs got sick of everyone complaining so they said screw it and made all powersets equal so no one complained. That backfired on them just a little....lol.

If you change the combat mechanics AND make all powersets equal then what reason do I have to continue paying? Might as well just have one power and one weapon FFS!

I didn't complain because my first toon was ice as f2p and I couldn't kill things as quick as I wanted. I used that magical thing called Google and found out HL was an awesome DPS powerset. I ASKED QUESTIONS AND CAME TO THESE FORUMS TO FIGURE OUT MY ROLE. If you want to DPS, choose a superior DPS POWERSET, don't complain when your ice toon can't out dps an HL or rage, its that simple. Its a superior DPS, GET OVER IT.

Make everything equal so no one complains?
R...O...F...L

Guess I'll just close my eyes, buy a recpec token, click whatever power I happen to land on since making any strategic choice on my power will literally not matter at all since everything is equal.

Everyone likes cereal, all cereals are not the same because people like variety.
If all cereal tasted the same I sure wouldn't buy it.

/disgusted

Why are so many people scared of change? Yes many of the changes with dcuo have been for the worst, I used to love using fire because of how well the powers flowed together. I would wreck bosses by summoning a meteor on them that i would then be able to heal with heat absorb the self heal then pick up the meteor to throw at the boss or adds and follow up with some powers with a combo till meteor is cooled then repeat. But then meteor was nerfed which lead me to becoming a gadgets troll modeled after batman. At first i didn't like most things about gadgets but then i learned it's secrets. Like not only are there the normal power interactions like gauss grenade used on a frostbitten enemy will have them explode but also other special power interactions. Like sticky bomb and vortex canon have different effects with depending on how long between each power use. For example if you use a sticky bomb count to like 2 seconds then fire the vortex cannon it will do like a super push sending them flying a block away while if you count to like 3-4 seconds and use vortex cannon the bomb will have the enemy fly vertically with each explosion propelling them more forward and any enemy hit is stunned which i find great for large crowed control because it makes sticky bomb stun more enemies than normal. (I swear to god devs nerf this and i will stop playing.) Point is these changes may suck in one way but may lead to a better experience. My hope is that WM will help with making pvp role affinity a little more balanced.

the problem i see with WM is that there will prob 1 or 2 combos that will stand out just as some wepons do now. it is imposbile to balance everything so everything is the same...maybe it is but then (like someone said eariler) it'll get boring.

couple of months ago we had 4 viable wepons for dps, and almost any wepon was viable for other roles. 1h ranged, best focus target low power, DW jsut like 1h but without focus. rifle as a speedy aoe wepon of choice power hungry one, and HB as an AE wepon low power. group setups varied (even though some disagree, but they did).

but the thing i wanna point out is that now any other role can use any weapon...with wepon masteries that will change. ELITISM gonna take over wepon choice in suport roles, not only DPS.

as for dps, there will be best single target combo and best aoe combo.
this could work if the raids were melee, but i can hardly see them become melee again. so yea 2 combos depending on the situation.
yes they are saying that trolls will have a controll role in a game, but they already have that, and good trolls dont need extra power to controll. if they gonna need the power to do so, 3 troll setups will be needed more, to provide even more power to keep enemies controled at all times = prefered 1 groupsetup. any 3 troll group setup will have place for one good healer, tank and 3 dps, 2 dps runs will be too slow. (they werent in a 2-2-2-2 era where there was no replay badges and raids were done once a week and it was fun to be in a raid for 5 hours, knowing you just have to finish it once a week to keep up with others) with replay badges alot of ppl rush content, and that is a serious problem that i think is efecting the state of the game. having good gear is no longer a prestige, having a rare style same. cuz they making everything available to everyone in a cheap quick way. so for me that takes the grind contex out of this game. cuz there is really nothing to grind anymore to feel proud of, or to set urself apart from other players.
there is only repetitive feats. wich noone cares about anymore. i kinda went of topic here, and i apologize. but i stated my mind on WM at the start of the post.

I want to know if most ranged WM combos' damage gonna be measurable to Celestial's cleansedWither or how u gonna set it ?

Also extra Power regeneration seem to be best WM bonus for Dps, Trolls and Heals. Increased Health for tanks should be most versatile bonus imo.

this doesnt make sense...so....u rather there be powers that are more powerful than others? u rather the imbalance? thats a first...are u a DW rage?

i dont get why some ppl are up in arms about this...if you dont wanna use it, the dont! the game is not forcing you to use it...it is an option...so if you dont think this option will work for you, then continue using your normal combos...i for one, LOVE this idea...and LOVE the fact that the combos will give off lots of damage, because i use my weapons a LOT...so this is a welcome addition

Oh dear.

"If you change the combat mechanics AND make all powersets equal then what reason do I have to continue paying? "
If every powerset is equal we can finally CHOOSE what power we LIKE to do damage. If anything then it will give more diversity to the dps you see in raids. Right now it's HL and Rage dominating like crazy.

If only HL and Rage are top dps, we might as well just disable dps stance for all other powersets.
"Might as well just have one power and one weapon FFS!" <- See how the thing you fear for is actually already happening. (HL+ rifle / Rage+ DW) If you want top damage you are most likely will pick one of these 2 powers. Having no choice in picking a dps power VS. having all of the choices to pick a power. What is better?
They are actually fighting the situation of seeing the same power only as dps to give us diversity.

"If you want to DPS, choose a superior DPS POWERSET, don't complain when your ice toon can't out dps an HL or rage, its that simple. Its a superior DPS, GET OVER IT."
Thing is, every powerset is able to DPS, there is no logical reason why some should be superior if they all have the same goal: do damage.
If some powers are meant to be superior dps powers, then why giving them support roles. Make HL DPS and scrap the trolling side of it.
But the game isn't structured like that. we all are capable of 2 roles, but the dps side is what connects all powers.

"Guess I'll just close my eyes, buy a recpec token, click whatever power I happen to land on since making any strategic choice on my power will literally not matter at all since everything is equal."
You know, that actually is awesome, I can choose whatever power I fancy and be a great dps. I am not restricted to 2-3 powersets if I want to be a dps.
And if you actually would like to use your powerset for something else than dps you have to open your eyes again. There is more than dpsing, powersets are not equal. They are meant to be able for a second role.

You make it clear that you only are interested in being the top dps on the scoreboard. There are ppl that like their powersets for different reasons.

"Everyone likes cereal, all cereals are not the same because people like variety.
If all cereal tasted the same I sure wouldn't buy it."
People like variety, yes. That's why they want to be able to choose from all the powersets if they want to be dps. That analogy contradicts you.
It's the look and power-trees of a powerset that add the taste in choosing them. Not the white and yellow numbers.

If you only care for your the big digits on your screen popping then you might as well just play with a calculator. It will give you some nice big numbers. Sounds like fun? No?

You think that some power sets should be more powerful than others? Now I've seen everything...

Absolute balance is almost impossible, but you can do your best to make it that way. And no, not everyone will be equal, better player will still outpds a bad one, which is how it should be, skill should be a more important factor than a power set choice.

More likely were afraid to do it. Only Guild Wars 2 did without it...and they are quite successful.

I think this id the main problem with most trolls, they wanna be dps that can stun stuff. I troll alot and I have no problem most times cc and giving back power, I think most who do are tryinh to dps rather than troll. Just my opinion