Why is Harley so powerful?

I love play with harley she's a really good character

Well it's the Hamma the hamma has the most damage in single hits. Since it's probably everyone's first legends toon they know to use her well too.

Been FOTM before and after her HP nerf, tbh. The whirling is being clipped with a dodge, most likely. Also not sure if her weapon spin (not the power spin) is also vulnerable to block, as well.

Thank you

Both her weapon spin and power spin are vulnerable to block.

Clipping with dodge doesn't make someone not vulnerable to block, only stops them from being countered from block breaks.

hmm...will it not prevent them from being blocked if they flip away before they actually hit the blocking target with the spin, though? I thought that was the whole point of it seeing as people often do that without always following up with a BB.

Yes , if you cancel the spin before you land a hit with it on the blocking target, then you can't be blocked because your attack never landed in a situation for you to be countered.

I think what clutch is saying, is the only reason to "clip" into a dodge is if you're in a block and doing so to avoid catching the BB (or even not in block just to avoid the damage). The act of going into a dodge doesn't prevent the block in this situation you're describing, the canceling of the spin is what prevents being blocked as you stop attacking. The dodge would simply apply dodge to avoid range damage, or break you out of your block vulnerability.

I'm aware that flipping/dodging doesn't actually "cancel out" vulnerability to block. I did not know whether the spin (weapon) was also vulnerable to block...so that was answered for me, thank you. Most harleys I have encountered don't actually let themselves be blocked during a spin, I've only caught very few that let my block touch before they flipped backward. That is what I meant by them dodging (literally dodging the intention of a blocker), as it can be assumed you "touched" the spin when you never actually did at the heat of battle. If what Doll is experiencing is not that but rather a continuous spin that does not get blocked, then yeah, I wouldn't know what else it could be as most often than not when it "appears to happen" is right before a flipback. Thank you for the clarification, JEEBIE.

for me, i think they need to tone down the HP of some of the batmanARC toons thats all

i mean have 6.7k - 6.9k is too high compare to other toons like steel, js, circe, etc....

There's a very good reason why the ones you mentioned have such low healthpools.

And you want to know an interesting fact? Most of the Batman toons with the highest health (Batman, Robin, Nightwing, Huntress, Joker) are all weaker overall than a lot of the lower health legends (saint, atrocitus, sinestro, bizarro). Two-Face and Harley are the only exceptions, Harley and Two-Face being on a similar level to Bizarro. Bane and Catwoman both have less health but are the best bat toons at the moment

for me, im MUCH more scared (and alot better playing) of batman, huntress, 2face, harley, bane, catwoman since they can mass clip there powers and have alot of hp

than saint, sinestro, bizarro because:
1 - i hardly ever see any1 in USPS server that plays them, even if they did, its usually a pug
2 - ive been beaten by the batman arc char ALOT since they keep spamming backflipping (which does llike 300-500), its good for block breaking since u dodge when using range, and it keeps knocking me down

but OFC, the scariest of them all is atro since his SC is beyond godlike of any other legend, and that DPS tho....

PS: i think harley and 2face is WAY beyond bizarro. bizarro annihilation is the only beast thing i personally like about him, but harley being able to spam 2 backflip and 2face being able to spam 1, BUT 2face has one GFG SC. also i win alot more with harley and 2face, than when i play bizarro

all the stuff i just typed is all from my experience // opinion. we all look at the game from a different view

yea they do deserve low hp... but 4.9k /// 5k
(for me), seems a bit too low, it should be like 5.4k-5.9k

There are a lot of hidden things about harley that make her above average..

Being that she is two handed, if an enemy throws a block breaker and immediately blocks, the two handed lunge extends the window a little longer than usual. The downside being that if you are a two handed user and you throw a block breaker hold or ranged, your window is extended a little longer than usual as well. Some people haven't picked up on this.

Another factor for harley being above average is that she can add up all this free damage without being countered. Lets say she does a 3 tap into front flip 3 tap again and back flip and just repeat over and over while still being able to throw in a block or block break to counter thus entering her 3 hold combo that eats nearly 45% of your health. Not to mention she could add in the boxing glove for just an extra free damage power

The bomb isn't always useless because it can stop people from getting close to a node and so far, its damage ranges from 200-600.

She also has stealth(Something that nightwing should have besides her), that is right below catwoman but on the same tier of batmans. But currently stealth is bugged on USPS as you suffer the chance of going into stealth and having your entire power tray disappear and be stuck only able to tap melee, soda, and trinket.

Harley will change after GU 36. The Two Handed tap triangle is no longer a BB. So they'll have to hold triangle to BB which takes forever with Two Handed. Another blow to Harley Quinn in addition to the recent decrease in her health.

^ this right here is why harleys HP needs to be slightly lowered. well all the batman arc too, they can keep mass clipping ther powers together, while tapping melee.

true other people like sinestro and amon have claw, and hal has boxing glove/jet
BUT they have lower hp by 1k AND ther spells cost alot of power.

the notes also said they are making both the hold triangle and tap triangle significantly faster, so I doubt she will be affected much.

They have very good shielding and cc for a reason, You do not want Circe at 6k health.. You just don't.

Bizzaro is seriously underrated sometimes, before his health nerf he was uhmm.. His 1-3 all greatly reduce the damage he takes making him very durable, anihilation is good AoE, not too shabby cc's either, and brawling is generally great for pvp.

Define Burst potential because i think saint walker doest the most dmg the fastest right now

EDIT: do you mean her invisiblity hit?

Burst damage is best defined as which legend can do the most damage after a counter before someone gets back to their feet. Catwoman beats Saint quite easily in this regard, but saint beats her in DPS.