Update 36 Bizarro DCUO Can we please stop the backward logic and hypocrisy

I'm sorry I wanted to just keep my mouth shut...but this is WOW.... First of all you guys do understand that this will SLLllllOOoooowww down combat right ? You guys do realize people don't play this game for it's open world or it's quantity of raids or for its crafting system, they play this game for it's combat system. They play this game for the game's ability for a player to maximize the effectiveness of their role through the speed transitioned through clipping, because when paired off against other players that follow the same approach, it provides a fun dynamic challenge other MMO's have failed or have been able to produce. It provides a CHALLENGE, that separate it from other MMO's.

Which is what this update will do, IT WILL MAKE THIS GAME SLOW, thus making it less challenging cause everyone will be doing the same thing and will NOT be able to deviate much from the COOKIE CUTTER format that is laid out ( not FOTM - it will be the ONLY flavor ).

Fact of the matter is that the players that are saying the players that are leaving cannot "ADAPT" ironically are the players that COULD NOT ADAPT TO THIS GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE !!!!

So now you guys are happy ? but you still don't know if this will change anything within the game schematics, and you guys think this will make you guys good ? We'll I hope this does cause ironically !!! SOOO much IRONY all those good players that you hate so much for JCing all the time will be gone.

I'm talking about the players that are in your SOE live PVP tournament's, the players that got EO within the first week of the first EO, the PLAYERS WHO FIRST GOT EO !!!!

So....if you want to get rid of those players their pretty much one foot out the door already, leagues that have lead this game for years.... will just disband....

Also can we please I love DCUO so, PLEASE stop acting like this was done for "balance reasons" and for the "good of the game", its quite disgusting with WM being slithered down our backs, your forcing people to BUY a GAME MECHANIC !!!!!!!! That is appalling. One more thing don't ask people not to whine, it's YOU guys that WHINED FOR MONTHS, Cause ultimately you guys just didn't fit into those groups that was running harder content, but its just a game and I'm sorry your feelings were hurt but this will start the path of turning DCUO into WOW (without the quantity or quality of content, just slow), you guys will take what is SPECIAL about this game.

This is not a challenge, this is going to make the game more boring, repetitive and simpler.

Whatever though expect to see A LOT of good byes in the next few week's, I hope you earth elec dedicated DPSers are ready to make DCUO the kind of game you want it to be, cause there won't be many others to stick around to make it anything else.

You know the Dev's have been milking a lot of things, skill points, rare styles, messing up the white plasmic aura so people will be forced to get the nimbus and soon combat mechanics. I know what you guys are doing, you guys are liquidating the game. If you can just leave this alone.... the game can survive for years, I was talking to a couple of league leaders about this and we all said the same thing, most of us were going to stay till the end, it seems most of you guys could care less how long or how many of us stay.

Whatever the case maybe, it's not too late to change this, this doesn't have to happen, you guys don't need to lose most of your top end player base, I just want you guys to remember its those guys that keep the replays burning. The top end players are the ones who are usually dedicated to their leagues and they CARRRY and cause they carry they keep the replays burning, keep the game active, keeps people coming back the next day. Your LOSING that !!!

I wish I could downvote this thread.

Do you realize that a good number of weapon attacks are going to be, in fact, made faster?

Do you realize that a lot, a LOT of power animations are going to be made faster?

And last but not least, do you really need to abuse clipping/JC to perform well?

I find this to be ironic. Talking about not being able to dapt, when the first thing that a lot of players do is find the most exploitable mechanic/rotation/thing and spam it to infinity without thinking of an alternative. SMH.

Kept the best/truthful parts.
So good. Love it.

Becoming WoW is a pretty big stretch. JS

They don't care you know.

Also inb4 you get flamed. Not that you should care.

Im giving it a chance, but a minimal one at best.

I think that JCing in raid content takes practice and focus which equal skill, I think weapon speed won't amount to crap if the base dmg is getting nerfed the way it is for many weapons.

I think that the Dev's are using the momentum from all the bad players in the game that are complaining to push through a game mechanic that REQUIRES A PURCHASEE .

I think most of the arguments in favor for U36 and the arguments against those who are against it are weak and full of holes and ultimately selfish decisions made by lazy players.

I'm not going to get into a huge argument here, but I will say that the current builds are cookie cutter also. What will change there? People always find the "optimal" build and go and share it or someone sees it in a video and everyone is doing it.

Speed of combat will change based on what rotations you use, not from the animation dovetails. This GU isn't all bad, but it's not all good either. (See my sig.) The one thing I don't like though is the forced "nothing" for fast cast powers where you are just standing there like you are stuck.

Anyways, out.

I agree with all of this. But well, soon you'll be jumped and ridiculed by the people behind those changes, and the blind yes sayers supporting every single thing the devs say or do.Despite the "But it's on test server and devs are wanting feedback", the changes are happening and if history is any indicator- they're happening with little to no change regardless of the backlash or feedback they'll get. The dice has been rolled one portion of the community will be happy, doesn't look like they care about the rest.

LOL i can see it now "LFG for DPS (NOT HL)", LOL.

lets stop hypocrisy, half or more of the whiners about gu36 will pay 10 bucks to change power as soon as this update launched and switch to the next fotm, get the best rotation on forum or youtube, and spam it indefinitely, showing how little 3l3t they are for their enability to adapt

devs are being focusing in the last update filling the gap between the so call 3l3t and the rest of the playerbase (nexus paradox nerf, synthetics mod, cr90 gear buyable with cr84+, expert mod in the next update allong with jc change etc), if the price to pay for that is losing a few so call 3l3t, with massive ego and little to no teamwork or respectfull manners online, it will worth it.

and stop the overeaction no serious league is gonna disband because of this update

I know of at least 6 leauges including the oldest leauge on Villain EUPC that have disbanded since the launch of DLC9/announcment of the changes, my leauge, which is currently the oldest one on Villain Eupc is about to disband with the online player count diminished from +30 on raid rest day to below 5. So yeah... Don't underestimate the impact of a major change on a large group of people- as seen on the forums alone the reaction is mixed to call it mildly, and the forums are used by just a small fraction of the community.

Serious leagues ? Like the kind of league that got EO first ? Like those kinds of leagues..... ? I'm not sure which server you play on but on USPC its a ghost town and its not just a down cycle this time. Players that you know are quitting this game if you ever watched a FNL or followed the leagues that were trying to achieve EO before it was achieved then achieved it before 99% of the playerbase got it done.

These are the players that figure out the content, that create the optional load outs, that can turn a complete PVP noob into something more then just an immunity farm. Your losing the teachers....

You genuinely shouldn't waste your time arguing with the people on forums. Not worth a lick.

The people who wanted their nerfs to dox/nex, people that wanted counter icons placed above your head, because learning mechanics was not worth their time. People who complained leveling is too tedious, and the people that complain other powers are out performing them on a damage board, or a weapon they don't use gets more love than one they would like to see shine.

This is who the devs favor.

Don't like to see the demise of any leagues on EUPC especially since the Odyssey downfall but its a shame when players who have been around for a while quit rather than accept change, our league is going strong and getting stronger daily and we will all adapt and move on.

As with most updates, it tends to be the older more entrenched players who almost have a physical reaction to change that QQ most whereas the ones who can adapt and realise the game does need to evolve are normally fine...it will be interesting once the DLC drops and the game carries on who is still around and who isn't.

I completely agree. Couple of people I personally know, who have been loyal to this game for 3 years are going to leave. This change is too much to swallow. What I can't stomach is that fact that they are nerfing Clipping just so that the people are forced to buy dlc 10 just for the WM to stay competitive. This is all marketing strategy and pathetic last resorts to milk money out of the player base.

If truth be told, this game is approaching it's end but hey it deserves it seeing that you Devs just completely shook the playerbase with these changes. You went overboard. I was on test all day yesterday and omg what have you done ?? Combat feels so sluggish that I really am not even willing to give it a try.

And please don't say 'Oh we are listening to you guys and all feedback is taken into consideration'. Total BS. This is the feedback you got from the community ? Remove jump clipping completely and slow down the game to a crawl ?

I am sorry but if this game goes down, you the devs will be responsible for it.

Oh and btw go take a look at US PC. I'ts a ghost town like Exington said. So yeah, people have already started leaving.

Why should anyone stick around if they don't like the changes and it isn't fun for them anymore?

Thanks for your opinion OP. If you are leaving the game being "top game playerbase" and all, gimme your stuff. Feel free to mail any toons in my sig.
I guess I'll continue to enjoy the game solely for combat mechanics

Odyssey downfall?

Im thinking...its for Everquest next. Everquest franchise has several hundred thousand subs, its on the SOE LLC.
SOE doesn't have to pay for licensing fees like for DC. DCUO hasn't made any real $$$ since its launch. The game costed $50 million and 5 years to make. Sony said on the 3rd quarter report gaming licensing sector is restructuring, especially at $59 million loss


The combat for Everquest Next is fast a fluid.

Right?

If (not that this is the case) the test build i played today made it live, Im out. It truly was not fun. I put in time too. Not just DPSing like the forum mentality would like to assume either. It just felt bad.

Obviously (as I stated) this isnt a final build, but not instilling confidence.

There's a passion for the game and then there's down right elitism. Fine line between the 2.

I've seen this type of thread many times.. Hard light nerf.. Celestial nerf.... 1 handed nerf... Bow nerf... And many more.. With all this diff threads... Many people push through and maximize their powers and weapons... Or changed weapons to maximize their role.. The good players will find a way. The bad players will cry till the good players make a guide... People like me will deal with it and wait for the good players make a guide... Change is necessary and helps the game move forward... Learn to adapt...